#4574649 - 07/18/21 04:02 AM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Much thanks, Fullofit! I'd rather hear it from one of you guys than someone trying to sell me something! And now while you are here, I do have some great news I would like to share with you about time shares...
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#4574655 - 07/18/21 09:11 AM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Looks like you “Gentlemen” are freshly out of bridges. These must be very tough times.
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#4574748 - 07/19/21 01:32 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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#4578288 - 08/27/21 01:44 AM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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As the old saying goes "no matter how good the PC is, if you monitor is sh*t, then your gaming experience is the same".
G-sync or Freesync is video card and monitor dependent, not game dependent.
Playing WOFF / WOTR with a non-G-sync monitor and playing it with a G-sync monitor is like night and day (if your FPS drop below 60 FPS, like in close to the ground or big dog fights).
G-sync stops tearing as well as a lot of stuttering (nothing can fix the occasional CFS3.exe internal stutters though) when playing WOFF / WOTR, so it adds to the "immersion" factor.
G-sync and Freesync are close, but G-sync has a larger operating range (G-sync 30 FPS to 144 FPS and G-sync Ultimate 1 FPS to 144 FPS) where Freesync range is normally 48 FPS to 144 FPS.
You pay more for a G-sync monitor, but then it is a dedicated chip doing the work versus the system doing the work.
If you buy a G-sync Compatible monitor, it is nothing more than a Freesync monitor that is compatible with the newer nVidia cards and software (the normal same Freesync 48 FPS to 144 FPS range).
As the other old saying goes "you normally get what you pay for" so make sure what you buy is what you really want for the long run since monitors last quite a few years now.
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#4578341 - 08/27/21 02:39 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Just my 2 cents, and I am sure Gsync are the best, but I have a Gsync compatible Samsung 32" monitor coupled with an RTX2076 and an AMD 5600x and it works very well for me. After building this new rig I used an Asus 27" high quality non Gsync monitor for the first month and it worked well. When I replaced it with my first Gsync compatible monitor it was a huge improvement of fluidity in flight sims, WOFF PE & WOTR not withstanding. I don't watch FPS as an indicator of game performance but rather I grade the whole experience as to how fluidly the sim operates as a whole when actually flying in Campaign. Said all that to say this, you get what you pay for, as PR said, but Gsync compatible does seem to perform well if your rig operates the sim within the parameters that Gsync compatible operates on, 48-144FPS. So while Gsync is the best, don't shy away from Gsync compatible as being a cheap substitute as it can work quite well coupled with a Rig that will support its'requirements. Nuff Said! Good luck with your choice.
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#4578371 - 08/27/21 07:10 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Thanks, both of you. Time being what it is, I think I'll pull the trigger on that one. Reviews seem good, your feedback helps a lot! Since I only have a GTX 1080Ti, I'll need all the help I can get, especially until I get the rest of the rig updated...
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#4578428 - 08/28/21 02:19 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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As already mentioned above, what is generically called "variable refresh rate" (VRR) technology is a very worthwhile investment (IMHO). There are some key differences in VRR; notably Gsync which uses technology that must be licensed ( read: paid for) from Nvidia, thus costs more. "GSync Compatible" and AMD's counterpart "FreeSync" both rely in some way on the fact that the newer video standards (DisplayPort 1.2a and HDMI 2.1, unless I'm mistaken) support VRR as part of the digital connection between monitor and GPU without requiring licensed proprietary hardware (as with GSync proper). However, I would not agree that GSync Compatible is the same as FreeSync. I could be wrong - but I believe that, while they are similar in that both utilize open-standard VRR methodology, they're different in some ways as well. For example, I think FreeSync supports VRR over HDMI 2.0, where GSync Compatible requires an HDMI 2.1 compliant monitor. Also, GSync Compatible will work on GPUs starting with the 10-series (Pascal; like your 1080Ti) over DisplayPort, whereas it only works over both HDMI and DisplayPort if you have a 20-series (Turing) GPU or higher - again, provided the monitor supports HDMI 2.1 (From Nvidia: >LINK< ) (From AMD, re VRR over HDMI 2.0: >LINK< ) My last three monitors have been GSync (proper) and I've been very pleased with the improvement it makes in overall smoothness, which like BladeMeister I value more than simple higher frame rates. I also believe, like he describes, that GSync Compatible is worth considering - I own several of these and use them daily in my shop test beds, and they definitely deliver smoother performance than without VRR at a price much lower than GSync proper - albeit in a more narrow range. Hope this helps - even if you've already decided, might be helpful to others reading this who are in a similar position.
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#4578452 - 08/28/21 05:45 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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KK: Not quite on G-sync Compatible. I forced a Freesync monitor (using the DP 1.2a as mentioned in the nVidia link and it has two HDMI 2.0 connections too, but I do not use those for playing games) to use G-sync Compatible with one of my old 1070 Ti video cards and nVidia drivers, but it still has the 48 to 60 FPS range since it is a normal 60 Hz monitor.
CPU = i9 11900K GPU = RTX 3080 Ti Monitor = ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX 2160p G-sync
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#4578453 - 08/28/21 05:50 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Well, I have had second thoughts, kk, as one fellow said a 32" at the (QHD? whatever is between 1920 x 1080 and 4k) may not be a good enough pixel density for office-type work. I'll probably (hopefully) only buy one of these for a very long time, but can't seem to find a good G-Synch in 4k resolution and 32" size; or at least I can't for under a truly eye-popping price. I guess you get what you pay for, but the marginal increase is pretty wild! But much thanks for the help... so many factors have to come together! HDMI, which version, display, port all these different initials/standards...
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#4578459 - 08/28/21 06:42 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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DP 1.2a and HDMI 2.1 for G-sync.
DP 1.2a for Freesync.
DP 1.2a for G-sync Compatible.
DP (Display Port) is mainly used for PC to Monitor connections.
HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) is mainly used for PC to TV connections.
FHD = 1920x1080 = 1080p = (1K)
QHD = 2560x1440 = 1440p = (2K)
UHD = 3840x2160 = 2160p = (4K)
CPU = i9 11900K GPU = RTX 3080 Ti Monitor = ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX 2160p G-sync
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#4578464 - 08/28/21 07:34 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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DP 1.2a and HDMI 2.0 for G-sync Compatible.
DP (Data Port) is mainly used for PC to Monitor connections.
Also from the Nvidia link:
"NVIDA GeForce GTX 16 series/RTX 20 series (Turing) and higher will support variable refresh rate over HDMI on displays which support this feature over HDMI 2.1."So, again - at least according to Nvidia - GSync Compatible does NOT support VRR over HDMI 2.0 as your post says. AMD says FreeSync has supported VRR over HDMI since it's inception - but not so with Nvidia and GSync Compatible. As I explained, this is one key area that makes the two different (as indicated by the actual respective GPU manufacturers in the links).
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#4578466 - 08/28/21 07:46 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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Well, I have had second thoughts, kk, as one fellow said a 32" at the (QHD? whatever is between 1920 x 1080 and 4k) may not be a good enough pixel density for office-type work. I'll probably (hopefully) only buy one of these for a very long time, but can't seem to find a good G-Synch in 4k resolution and 32" size; or at least I can't for under a truly eye-popping price. I guess you get what you pay for, but the marginal increase is pretty wild! But much thanks for the help... so many factors have to come together! HDMI, which version, display, port all these different initials/standards... Your experience is among the reasons GSync Compatible is as popular as it is. 4k monitors with high refresh rates and GSync, in a size larger than ~27" tend to get very pricey. This is why myself and others contend it's worth considering GSync Compatible - and that's coming from a guy who has both types, but has used GSync (proper) for my own monitors for some time now. If you need the size and 4k, especially with higher refresh rates, then GSync Compatible might be an area you can live with compromise.
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#4578473 - 08/28/21 08:28 PM
Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020
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KK: I stand corrected, yes it is Display Port not Data Port, but then you misunderstood me too.
I said that I took a non nVidia listed G-sync Compatible monitor that was listed as Freesync only and "forced" it (though some various settings that may or may not work on all Freesync monitors) and made it G-sync Compatible.
But then I too have been using the proper G-sync and now G-sync Ultimate since it first monitors came out in 2014 (ASUS PG278Q).
I am currently on my third G-sync monitor and love them for all the old problems (tearing and stuttering) they solve when playing any game that drops below 60 FPS.
CPU = i9 11900K GPU = RTX 3080 Ti Monitor = ASUS ROG Swift PG32UQX 2160p G-sync
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