lol Lou

I stand corrected. I guess I should've said "You can't buy one, regardless...unless you're totally frakkin' stupid..."

(And I know you know this...) The point is, 30-series cards in reality are not as cheap as the hype claimed (yet), they are not cheaper than 20-series (yet), and 20-series cards are not in reality more expensive than 30-series, because you cannot buy a 30-series (unless you're stupid). No doubt someone's done it, however. (See my earlier comments re: bragging rights, ad absurdum).

You know, I found myself wondering about that sort of 'market manipulation' as well. Wouldn't surprise me.

Of course, you are more than welcome. Always glad to help Perhaps your experience will help some folks understand that I don't just help those who buy from me, and that I often 'consult' on brand-new hardware in addition to used stuff. I'd prefer to help save money (while still getting performance) by utilizing previous gen hardware, but that's not to say I can't help with even retail stuff

I can't speak to what was in their minds. I would be surprised if they did plan this but then again, I'm surprised they didn't have a plan to fight bot purchases. So there you have it.

Lou you mean for the next sixth months until the half-price-twice-as-quick 4000 series launches ? These Nvidia boys and girls do not dally.

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LOL! Yes Pol, I believe your time estimate is likely far more accurate than mine.

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Okay, if that happens, I'll be buying brand new retail.

Geeze the 20 series hasnt even been out that long and I just bought a 2070. In most cases these 80 series cards are overkill and I cant justify the price when I could even max out a games graphics on a 60 series before my 70 without problems. No need for a 30 series for me at least for a year or more. Some people just like to spend loads of money and boast that they have the newest gear when its not even needed. Especially since social media took off.

Honestly, I don't see people on here bragging that their card is better than anyone else. What I do see are folks who act like they are smarter than everyone else because they don't buy higher end cards. Makes no mind to me what you buy. If the 070's work for you, I think that's great. You should get whatever works for you and I support that. I don't think more or less of you for your choice. I'm just happy you found something that makes you happy. Why do you feel the need to make condescending judgements about people who have different priorities than you?

With all due respect, the snobbery isn't coming from people with high end cards. It's coming from people who feel the need to be condescending to those who bought and are enjoying them. It'd be really great if that stopped considering it adds nothing of value to the conversation.

"Value" is in the eyes of the beholder. I'd wager there are at least one or two who have read this who happen to share my views, and might appreciate the value that a different perspective brings.

At times (including earlier in this very thread), some folks have been good enough to express their gratitude for the insights that don't necessarily agree with others. Sounds like they value the input.

To whom it may concern...

Of course, you have a very well taken point. Unfortunately, sometimes people refuse to acknowledge the value in others' perspectives which differ from their own. It shouldn't mean anyone is attacked personally, unfortunately. But that's somewhat telling, of itself (from my own perspective, of course).

I would have been great to share reviews of the 3080s, good and bad, to help folks make informed choices about what card works best for them. But it seems it's been hijacked into "if you don't buy the gear I have or what I recommend, you must not be as smart as me and you must be doing it for some base reason such as bragging rights." Not really helpful to anyone. More facts and less desperate need for attention would have been great but I think that cause is lost at this point.

Feel free to lock the thread, Pol. I won't be following it anymore in any event.

Nobody hijacked anything, and nobody said anything about "I'm smarter than you".

The facts - from the reviews this thread is about - show things that don't necessarily agree with those who run out and spend money on the 'latest and greatest'. That's all.

There's plenty here that benefits a number of people - a few said so, and some have (or plan to) act upon it. Advice, prudent and timely, based on facts from the reviews.

Whether anyone likes it or not, the fact is that the 30-series cards aren't the huge benefit they're hyped to be, to the majority of people, when you look at the total equation. They're great cards, by some measures, and I've said so more than once.

I also presented a number of measures whereby they aren't what the hype says - again, when considering all factors.

Regretful if a thorough perspective upsets you so.

OK thanks for bringing up the topic Hellshade I will close it now. I think we are all aware we can buy a 3000 series card, or not, we all have free will, and our own needs.

Some people like to buy the fastest thing because it is the fastest, (I'm guilty of that sometime) it's not to brag but so they can whack up all the eye candy to max and enjoy. Some like to own the "state of the art" of whatever it is, because they love tech. Some want to brag, and some don't want to spend money - it's all fine as long as you earned the money honestly who cares what you do with it, or not.
Each to their own as long as no one is being hurt it's fine.