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#4537805 - 09/20/20 02:13 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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I can't wait for all the posts and comments saying that someone bought a 3080, but can't fit it in their chassis, or can't figure out why their system crashes all the time ("It ran fine with my 1080"). Or "I'm not getting twice the performance...my GTX1080 was running 120FPS on my 1080p monitor."

Yup, it ran fine with a 1080 that uses about half the wattage and generates roughly half the heat...now you were somehow able to force-fit a new 3080 card in there, and your 10-year old power supply (which was fine for your 1080) can't keep up with twice the load at twice the heat. "But I don't understand...it came with power adapters..." Yes, which as any engineer knows, magically increases your PSU's ability to provide rated power at specified temps...

And if you're running at 1080p (as the overwhelming majority are), you're just not going to see anywhere near twice the performance.

Almost no mention at all in many of these "reviews" about power requirements, space, cooling...which is and has been exactly my point. Everyone and their brother is parroting the same-ole same-ole, with little to no mention at all about the other factors that will absolutely be part of the equation.


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#4537821 - 09/20/20 05:48 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Well I'm a sucker for new GPU's so avoiding reading too many reviews currently wink

Go for it Hellshade, it will be a cool upgrade. For sure, it will definitely be an upgrade from a 1080. Probably the best way to go skip out a generation each time given the huge loss 2080's will cost owners when they come to sell.

One guy's comment made me laugh on that youtube

"It's literally 2-3x the performance of a 1080 for 2-3x the price <3" biggrin


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#4537882 - 09/21/20 11:09 AM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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#4537885 - 09/21/20 11:18 AM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Shredward]  
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Yeah, I'm not looking at the 3090 for that reason. Everyone has their own price performance cut off. For me, the 3080 looks good. Others might find the 3070 a better bang for the buck. But for those who want absolute top end and cost is no object, there's a choice for them too.


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#4537894 - 09/21/20 12:46 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Shredward]  
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Yup. As I've said many times, a lot of (most of...?) the people buying into the "latest and greatest" new hardware releases are simply after bragging rights, never mind what the technical details will tell you. Higher end stuff makes the extreme example obvious, but it's not just the highest-end stuff.

And, as your review shows, they often don't even know much about what it is they're buying into. Many 'reviews' are woefully lacking crucial detail, and that's assuming these folks even take time to do any research - many are just going with the hype. That's the way some people (especially kids) are today. They don't want to do research to make informed choices, and impulse buying for immediate gratification is rampant.

Among other things, even if you consider the (vanilla) 3080 a great bargain now, it's September...even waiting a couple months until the holiday sales might save $20 or more...

Yet there will still be already are plenty of people paying a ridiculous premium (IMO) for stuff just because it's the newest thing. It doesn't make technical sense, or even economic sense...but it starts to make sense if you understand that what these people want (and are willing to pay more for) is simply bragging rights.

#4537937 - 09/21/20 07:17 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Meanwhile, there still appears to be plenty of RTX 2080's in stock that you can buy at a higher price than the RTX 3080s for less performance.
Newegg RTX 2080s

Oh and look, you can buy GTX 1080s (2 generations ago) starting at $799. $100 more than a RTX 3080. I'm pretty sure that's the price they were selling them when they first released a few years ago. At least the refurbished ones are cheaper.

Newegg GTX 1080s

So much for the previous generations costing less.

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#4537939 - 09/21/20 08:27 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Anybody who pays that for a 1080 is an idiot. It's a worst case rip off, and that should be obvious. I sold a mint 1080Ti myself about a month ago for over $200 less than a 3080 is today. Just because someone prices it exhorbitantly doesn't mean anybody is stupid enough to believe they should pay that.

It's also not very smart to buy a card new that's already two generations back. Most anyone should know that. Performance comparisons are based on performance, not whether a card is used or new.

And as already discussed multiple times, the 30 series cards are out of stock atm, practically everywhere. So by the time you *can* actually get one, the prices for 20 series are expected to drop. Most would understand supply and demand works here to dictate waiting.

In the unlikely event the 20 series don't drop enough, then (wait for it...) don't buy one.

There are still likely far more people who won't benefit from a 30 series that much than those who will, just because of resolution and the overwhelming majority of games that don't use ray tracing. Factor in things like power requirements that could mandate a new PSU and/or a new chassis at $100+ each, and the actual, real equation is a lot more balanced than the hype suggests.

Incidentally, it's not necessarily about buying a new 3080, a new 2080, or a new 1080 right now. The question, generally, is whether its worth it to drop $700 on a 3080 at release, when there might not be clear benefit to most users, there could well be indirect costs (in the $100s), and there will probably be better deals soon enough. And that's not counting the whole lack of PCIe 4.0 support situation.

Also, if reviewers can state conclusions as to whether its "worth it", then it's obviously not just up to the individual. There is such a thing as a fool and his money. Just because everyone has a (limited) right to be said fool doesn't mean it's a good idea.

#4537942 - 09/21/20 09:08 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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By the way, 5 days ago when I looked at 2080 Super cards on NewEgg, they were $700-750, just like I posted in this very thread. So it's obvious the market's fluctuating and someone's trying to take advantage.

Scenario: Anxious kid with daddy's money goes looking to get one of the latest and greatest 30-series cards at NewEgg (NewEgg knows he's coming). Kid has no idea you can't get a 30-series card 'til he actually goes to look for it. Being impatient, decides on the 2080 Super instead (because...now). Boom, seller made an extra $50-100.

Just one example from hundreds of how the market is going to be right now.

EDIT: Also a reasonable chance the 30-series will actually go up, because...well, supply an demand, that's why...and because they can, and the lemmings will still line up.

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#4537945 - 09/21/20 09:28 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Well now that Nvidia is officially acknowledging that they botched the 3080 launch and are taking steps against bot buyers, maybe they will get some cards back in stock. Can't get any real world feedback until the first adopters get their cards. Sounds like there will be plenty of them too. Nvidia says they got a bigger rush for orders than they typically get on Black Friday. Not sure if that accounts for the bot activity though.

Nvidia apologizes for botched launch


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#4538258 - 09/24/20 03:24 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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AMD will be releasing their cards soon. I'd wait to see what they have.

I did notice 2070 8gig mini cards where going for £369 at Amazon. Not bad price for the power.

#4538259 - 09/24/20 03:25 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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With WOFF I found it's all about the CPU not graphics card.

I just bought a Ryzen 3300x a Gigabyte B550 MB, 2x8 gig memory at 3200 to replace my Ryzen 1600, Asus B350 mb and 2x4 gig at 2666 memory.

Though the new CPU has only four cores not 6 but it is a good bit faster than my old 1600 and is at a darn good price, everyone seems to rate it. I pre ordered it 119.99, the MB cost 99.99, and the memory, cos I went fancy Corsair ICUE rgb to go with my keyboard, mouse mat and mouse, was £67.

I will then wait for the new graphics cards to drop in price one thats PCIE 4.0 (will have to stick with my RX480 8gig card which is still good enough) and then my system will be future proof for abit..oh I do need an M2 drive though

Won't be till mid October when I can get it up and running as CPUs's aren't due till then. WIll be interested to see how WOFF fairs with upgrades. Hopefully the expansion wont be to far off then:)

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#4538262 - 09/24/20 03:47 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Wodin]  
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Originally Posted by Wodin
Won't be till mid October when I can get it up and running as CPUs's aren't due till then. WIll be interested to see how WOFF fairs with upgrades. Hopefully the expansion wont be to far off then:)


I'm excited for you. Sounds like a nice bit of extra horsepower for you. And just in time for WOFF 2020? Nice one-two punch upgrade!

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#4538267 - 09/24/20 04:29 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Wodin, those new upgrades you have coming will take you a good long way into the future! I am getting started on a similar upgrade myself. I just yesterday picked up an Asus Z490-A PRIME mobo and an i5-10600k CPU from Micro Center, and am waiting for a Newegg order containing a pair of 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 RAM sticks and two Western Digital BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 500GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 SSDs. These will replace my aging ASUS Sabertooth P67 mobo, i7-2600K CPU, 16GB of DDR3 1600 RAM, and SATA hard drives. I too will keep running my current GPUs, which are a pair of EVGA GTX 970s with an HB SLI bridge. With the new components I should be relatively futureproof for a while too. And, when the prices get better down the road, I may grab a 2070 Super or two and see what kind of boost those give me. smile

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#4538283 - 09/24/20 06:40 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted by Hellshade
Originally Posted by Wodin
Won't be till mid October when I can get it up and running as CPUs's aren't due till then. WIll be interested to see how WOFF fairs with upgrades. Hopefully the expansion wont be to far off then:)


I'm excited for you. Sounds like a nice bit of extra horsepower for you. And just in time for WOFF 2020? Nice one-two punch upgrade!



Thanks Hellshade and RAF_Louvert. Always reassuring when your choices get a thumbs up.

It was a choice between this or just get a RTX2070 mini or a new monitor as I need one current one is on it's way out. I decided not really worth getting the 2070 if the rest of the system isn't upgraded and running PCIE 4.0, so went with what I mentioned. I rarely get this kind of spending money so the right decision was important..

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#4538309 - 09/25/20 12:53 AM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
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I just yesterday picked up an Asus Z490-A PRIME mobo and an i5-10600k CPU from Micro Center, and am waiting for a Newegg order containing a pair of 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 RAM sticks and two Western Digital BLACK SN750 NVMe M.2 2280 500GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 SSDs.
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Almost exactly the same stuff I am currently assembling here. I am reusing my recently purchased RTX2070. Here's to hoping we both see some booming performance results! Hope to have it all together and running in a few days.

#4538340 - 09/25/20 11:22 AM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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So, as of this morning, the 30-series cards are (still) out of stock; probably will be for some time yet (weeks?) And, of course, it's perfectly expected that the 20-series cards are going to be higher than the (non-available) 30 cards...for now. Believe it or not, people are buying 20-series cards right now, and naturally someone's going to profit on it. Whether it makes sense to buy one ATM is another discussion (hint: it doesn't).

30-series cards being listed at $699 - or $6.99 for that matter - is absolutely meaningless. If it's not available at the price shown due to being out of stock, they could say it's $20...you can't buy one at that price, because...well, you can't buy one regardless.

So, pointless to say that's what they cost. In reality, what they cost is what they'll be marked at when they are in stock. It could always be higher than what's listed now while they're out of stock...and, if the laws of supply and demand hold any value at all, it should go up.

Meanwhile - and this is also obvious - it's equally pointless to look at 20-series prices right now, because they can full well be expected to drop, the moment the 30-series becomes available. And I should think most informed people know better than buying one, now that Nvidia released the 30 cards, before the prices are reality.

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#4538341 - 09/25/20 11:38 AM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Actually kk, you can jump on eBay right now and grab a 3070 for $1000, a 3080 for $2000, or a 3090 for $3000+. That 3090 sounds like a pretty sweet deal. screwy You would think the manufacturers could have foreseen the bots buying up everything right out of the gate to resell at these ridiculous numbers.

By the way, thanks again Sir for all the help and advice on sorting out the choices for my latest upgrades, much appreciated. cheers

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#4538342 - 09/25/20 12:06 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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Lou, Nvidia really botched the roll out. Big time. Supposedly they are putting measures in place to stop the bots from doing it again. Hopefully they succeed. eBay scammers certainly aren't helping anyone.


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#4538343 - 09/25/20 12:10 PM Re: RTX 3080 reviews are coming in [Re: Hellshade]  
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No Hellshade, they certainly are not helping. It's giving a big black eye to Nvidia and their entire introduction of what will likely be the gaming GPU to go after for the next couple of years.

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And if I were a cynic I might say it was all planned to see just how much the public would be willing to pay for the new technology. But I'm not a cynic - just saying, that's all. biggrin

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