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#4537864 - 09/21/20 03:55 AM The most compelling anti-heroes?  
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To be a bit more specific, I’m talking about morally ambiguous characters who aren’t afraid to do some questionable things to get the right things done. For me the two characters that immediately come to my mind are Riddick from the well known sci-fi film trilogy and Max Rockatansky from the very well known Mad Max films.


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I would choose Deadpool for this one I think. With The Punisher added for good measure.


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Got to have 'Oddball' (Kelly's Heroes) in this list!

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Originally Posted by Chucky
I would choose Deadpool for this one I think. With The Punisher added for good measure.



Both are excellent choices. To be honest, comic book characters didn't even cross my mind when I was initially thinking of this thread topic. smile


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Clint Eastwood? James Bond?


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Clint Eastwood? James Bond?


FYI, Clint Eastwood is a real person.


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A real person cant be anti-hero? LOL! I don't know what anti-hero is. How about Terminator in the sequel?


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
A real person cant be anti-hero?


The OP specified "charecters" not real people.


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A real person can be a character. You hear it said often: that Joe, Jack, Jane, Jill is such a character.


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The Man With No Name, particularly in "A Fistful of Dollars" and somewhat in "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" (possibly what NoFlyBoy was referring to). I'd add Deadpool and Mel Gibson's characters in "Payback" and "The Gringo".

But in my opinion a willingness to adopt the tactics of your enemy when more conventional justice fails or is unavailable...which is the case in several of the examples put forth...isn't exactly "moral ambiguity". It's just "Two can play that game", or "I'm your huckleberry". Which reminds me:

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This guy. To be able to do so much of what he did with overwhelming odds against him while had no shoes on his feet.


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I don't think John McClane was an anti-hero NFB,he was very much the hero.


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Originally Posted by Chucky
I don't think John McClane was an anti-hero NFB,he was very much the hero.



Correct. He was essentially the Luke Skywalker hero archetype with the one exception that he wasn't afraid to curse.


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NFB has trouble coloring within the lines.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
NFB has trouble coloring within the lines.




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Han Solo started out as an anti-hero (particularly if you have the original version, where he shot first), but even by the end of "A New Hope" he was starting to turn into a good guy.


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William Foster from Falling Down.
William Munny, Eastwood's character from Unforgiven. Depending on how you define antihero, Gene Hackman's character from the same film could be one. He was just the sheriff trying to keep some semblance of law and order in a chaotic world.

And one from the wayback machine: Lamont Cranston, aka The Shadow of radio, comic and movie fame.


My favorites would be the already mentioned Han Solo and Max Rockatansky.

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Agreed that Solo was most definitely the classic "anti-hero" for most of the duration of "A New Hope". George Lucas needed to have him be that way as a contrast to Luke Skywalker and it worked great on film.

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+1 on William Foster from Falling Down.
James Bond in some but not all of the 007 movies.
William Muny in Unforgiven
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Originally Posted by Tarnsman

James Bond in some but not all of the 007 movies.




IMHO I'd say the anti-hero descriptor would apply in the Daniel Craig and Timothy Dalton movies. Bond in those films was portrayed as a brooding secret agent who had no qualms about using brutality when it came to accomplishing the mission.

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One of my all-time favorites is Baltar from the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series.


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Originally Posted by ArgonV
One of my all-time favorites is Baltar from the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica series.


Eh, was he not just more of a villain (at least of most of the show)?

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Gaius Baltar was a fantastically written and acted character on the reimagined BSG but I would not classify him as an "anti-hero". I'd say he's really a sympathetic villain in the same vein as "Two Face" from the Batman universe.

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Gaius wasn't an anti-hero. Snake Plissken, however, is a model anti-hero.


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The important thing about anti-heroes is they don't frankly give a crap what happens to other folks in a story, and are in it for themselves. That their actions saved a few folks matters not to them, nor was their intention--they are happy that they got the gold, or whatever it was they were searching for.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
The important thing about anti-heroes is they don't frankly give a crap what happens to other folks in a story, and are in it for themselves. That their actions saved a few folks matters not to them, nor was their intention--they are happy that they got the gold, or whatever it was they were searching for.


Baltar to a tee.

Doomed the human race in the show, and also saved it. All he cared about was his own skin. Oh and Caprica-6.


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I'm not sure Baltar had enough of an influential hand to save humanity, compared with the rest of the crew. He was a true piece of crap for half the series.

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I'm not sure Baltar had enough of an influential hand to save humanity, compared with the rest of the crew. He was a true piece of crap for half the series.



He went from chief science advisor to the president, to vice president, to president of the colonies.... not many people had greater influence than he.


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I liked Denzel's character in that too. I was thinking about mentioning Liam Neeson's character in the Taken films but wasn't sure if he counted as an anti-hero. He's a good guy who fought as a good agent but he definitely doesn't mess around when it comes to protecting innocense especially his daughter.

Speaking of those movies, way before they came out Val Kilmer did a great little movie called Spartan where he's essentially like Liam's and Denzel's character. He's got to go rogue to do the right thing.


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Snake Plissken, however, is a model anti-hero.

I'd forgotten about Plissken. Excellent choice.


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Originally Posted by mikew
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I really should not have forgotten about this tour de force performance by Jean Reno. What an utterly brilliant film.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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If Leon, then also Mathilda.


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