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#4537085 - 09/15/2001:36 AMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
"To leap from finding twenty molecules out of a billion of a single rare chemical to claiming this is a sign of life is absurd. And yet, this is what these scientists do, in the European Space Agency (ESA) press release at the link above, as well as this Royal Astronomical Society press release...This discovery is not giving us “a hint of life on Venus.” All these scientists have done is detect a chemical whose formation in Venus’ very alien environment is a mystery. Yes, on Earth this chemical comes from life related activities, but to claim that the presence of biology must explain it on Venus is not science, but witchcraft and the stuff of fantasy. We know practically nothing about the full make-up of Venus’ atmosphere, its chemistry and environment, which makes it impossible to hint at any theories, no less life."
#4537137 - 09/15/2003:45 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
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+2 Paul
So as I alluded to before, this is just another sensationalized and unsubstantiated story made to drum up mouse clicks and eyeballs.
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#4537139 - 09/15/2003:53 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
mmmmmmmmmmmm, " Life on Venus " If there is any chance of women Err Life on another planet, we need to Thrust and probe into the darkest reaches.
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#4537144 - 09/15/2004:07 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
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Originally Posted by carrick58
mmmmmmmmmmmm, " Life on Venus "
Those skimpy outfits are quite practical considering the climate on Venus.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#4537151 - 09/15/2004:41 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: PanzerMeyer]
So as I alluded to before, this is just another sensationalized and unsubstantiated story made to drum up mouse clicks and eyeballs.
Ironic you say that whilst agreeing to a post with a cut/paste from a mouse click
And despite what you read, I am not reading about a major declaration of life everywhere; just the unexplained discovery of phosphines. Yes some news outlets will go down the alien route - does that mean it is not worthy of reading about?
I do wonder how people would react if it was NASA announcing it instead.
#4537152 - 09/15/2005:12 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
We'd still be skeptical if NASA announced this. The data is what it represents, and that is not life, just detected spectroscopic signatures of phosphines.
This tells us what?
That phosphine is present. Nothing else, nothing more.
#4537154 - 09/15/2005:26 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
Which could be a new method of how it is created. Which could help with our knowledge of science. And yes, there is a very small chance it is microbial life.
I personally believe it is more likely to do with volcanic activity on Venus. But I'm not a scientist.
Every scientific outlet I've read seem to think it's a big deal without mentioning it being a source of life.
But you have your own ideas right?
#4537155 - 09/15/2005:48 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
Words of wisdom we should all live by, especially when it comes to the profound implications that may result from the discovery of alien life.
This is evidence of a molecule, one we have also detected on other planets through spectroscopy.
Had they detected this molecule in a sample of frozen debris snatched from a comet, only shortly thereafter to discover an extraterrestrial cell in the same sample, that would be exciting.
#4537158 - 09/15/2006:02 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
Yet again you keep directing the discovery to life or lack of. I find it more fascinating that this discovery involved the molecules being 60km high up in the clouds and what could cause this to happen and it's creation.
You are right about the comet idea, that would be something else. The presence of volcanoes on Venus for me offers alternative explanations, I truly hope missions are announced to go and find out.
Good luck with the publishing of your books...... The comet idea may be a good story!
#4537180 - 09/15/2008:00 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
I'd be skeptical if NASA announced the earth is still round...pending further ludicrously expensive studies of course.
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#4537397 - 09/17/2012:39 PMRe: Possible discovery of microbial life on Venus
[Re: RossUK]
"...assuming you could, say, borrow the James Webb Telescope when it was launched..."
By that time, life on Venus will have evolved to the point where you would get better results by just asking them politely to edit their Wikipedia article with the pertinent info.
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