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#4534262 - 08/20/20 11:20 PM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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#4534264 - 08/21/20 12:05 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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I know it's a Mark Felton thread but I'll trot these out for show too:

BV 141 - The Most Asymmetrical Airplane of WW2


It was the Army's Only Air to Air Kill Since WW2


Footage of an Airplane Flying into a Rogue Wave


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#4534266 - 08/21/20 12:25 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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How does that BV141 even fly?


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Nahhh...Not a Mark Felton thread.

It 's a Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans thread. SimHQ style. wink


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#4534285 - 08/21/20 10:52 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
How does that BV141 even fly?



It had an engine, a wing and a pilot.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4534286 - 08/21/20 11:05 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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LMAO. Well played KK.


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I enjoy watching Mark Felton, Sgt Vittie, Acedestroyer, Drachinifel and the Dark Series (Dark Docs, Dark Footage, Dark 5, etc...) youtube channels.

It would be nice if an Admin could do a sticky of links to their sites and add to it with other youtube channels with similar content.

Indy Neidell's WWI and WWII series too.


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#4534416 - 08/22/20 04:10 PM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Chef]  
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Originally Posted by Chef
I enjoy watching Mark Felton, Sgt Vittie, Acedestroyer, Drachinifel and the Dark Series (Dark Docs, Dark Footage, Dark 5, etc...) youtube channels.

It would be nice if an Admin could do a sticky of links to their sites and add to it with other youtube channels with similar content.

Indy Neidell's WWI and WWII series too.

agreed, would be nice.
there is however a sticky thread here
https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....mentaries-youtube-video-thread-add-to-it
I've added some other channels that might be of interest


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#4535323 - 08/31/20 12:29 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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Learn something new again. US and Russia jet fighters over Czechslovakia. Those MIG15 look funny!



This is incredible! Stick it to the Russians!



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#4535566 - 09/02/20 04:37 AM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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Do have to admit them German engineers for Nazi Germany did invent a few things that are still utilized today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%BCrzburg_radar


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#4536081 - 09/06/20 03:13 PM Re: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans [Re: Nixer]  
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The thing to remember about WWII equipment is that we Americans were crazy good at resupply in both parts and the stuff that keeps the machines running, along with the repair and maintenance chains to keep it humming along.

NOBODY did it as well as we did. Nobody. The Soviets came close, but only after we did a huge lend-lease of Deuce and a Halfs, along with the oil and gas to run them.

Whether it was a Sherman tank, a Jeep, a rifle, or a uniform, with rare exception, once we got the ball rolling it was stupid to the point of being unfair (which is the point). Repair depots to turn around damaged equipment and a seemingly endless stream of new stuff all the time meant that unless the Germans went asymmetrical they were doomed.

Add in that the USA was going the route of both quality and quantity is scary to an opposing force. We sure did have a lot of Joes on the ground, but we didn't just throw people at the enemy waiting for them to wear out or run out of ammunition; we leveraged technology at every turn.

The Panther may have been the best tank in a technical sense, but they couldn't be mass produced or the ones fielded supported effectively.

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Very good read about the initial fielding of the Panther. Not a stellar opening act.

https://mikesresearch.com/2019/10/27/panthers-at-kursk-1943/


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Yeah, the D model had some problems for sure.

Of course, Kursk was a huge problem all in itself, as has been discussed before here I think.


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Mark's story of the Ranger Assault in Grenada.



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One of the key weaknesses of the Panther tank was it's final drive. Untypical of the usual German over-engineering it used straight cut spur gears rather than much stronger, and more difficult/expensive to make, herringbone gears.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Very good read about the initial fielding of the Panther. Not a stellar opening act.

https://mikesresearch.com/2019/10/27/panthers-at-kursk-1943/



Indeed both the Panther and the Elefant left much to be desired during the battle. The technical problems with the Panther were soon resolved after the battle but the Elefant was a complete disaster. The Germans went back to the tried and true StuG for their tank destroyer needs for the most part. The heavy ones like the Jadgpanther and Jagdtiger were solid designs but too few in number to make any difference.


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Those tank destroyers would have been more efficient if they had a turret instead of a fixed gun and you had to point the entire thing in the direction of what you were shooting at. It was good idea to put a bigger gun on armored body but wouldn't it be a better idea to put that bigger gun on a turret that goes 360 degrees? WIKI says only 91 Elefant and about 88 Jagdtiger were made. Not Good!


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Those tank destroyers would have been more efficient if they had a turret instead of a fixed gun and you had to point the entire thing in the direction of what you were shooting at. It was good idea to put a bigger gun on armored body but wouldn't it be a better idea to put that bigger gun on a turret that goes 360 degrees? WIKI says only 91 Elefant and about 88 Jagdtiger were made. Not Good!

The advantage of the Stug was it's low profile, difficult to detect before getting into lethal range, lost in the later behemoths you mention.
Designers of US tank destroyers seem to have the better idea!

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The thing to remember about WWII equipment is that we Americans were crazy good at resupply in both parts and the stuff that keeps the machines running, along with the repair and maintenance chains to keep it humming along.

NOBODY did it as well as we did. Nobody. The Soviets came close, but only after we did a huge lend-lease of Deuce and a Halfs, along with the oil and gas to run them.

Whether it was a Sherman tank, a Jeep, a rifle, or a uniform, with rare exception, once we got the ball rolling it was stupid to the point of being unfair (which is the point). Repair depots to turn around damaged equipment and a seemingly endless stream of new stuff all the time meant that unless the Germans went asymmetrical they were doomed.

Add in that the USA was going the route of both quality and quantity is scary to an opposing force. We sure did have a lot of Joes on the ground, but we didn't just throw people at the enemy waiting for them to wear out or run out of ammunition; we leveraged technology at every turn.

The Panther may have been the best tank in a technical sense, but they couldn't be mass produced or the ones fielded supported effectively.


Indeed, it was astounding how quickly the US industry adapted to war production with massive output, builing 'Liberty ships' faster than the Kriegsmarien could sink them! Output of your 'soft and decadent nation' fatally understimated by the Axis. Without it, even previously to the US entering the war, Britain would not have endured, so there would be no 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' or stepping off point for invasion to deal with 'Festungs Europa'.
Luckily for us too, the policy 'Germany First'.



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Japan and Germany couldn't compete with USA industrial might, even if USA and the allies didn't bomb any of their cities and industries and factories.


A B-24 every 55 minutes and that is just one of the 1000s of things big and small of all sizes the USA made for the WW2 war effort.



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