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Good article. I dislike the term 'immersive sim', but that's what they are calling games like this and Dishonored. I really like these games, and it would be a shame if they disappeared. But money talks and if they aren't profitable then they will not be made much longer.
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The only ones that have ever managed to be profitable are the Bethesda Elder Scrolls and Fallout games, and frankly they're far weaker examples of what potential the genre has to offer than System Shock/Ultima Underworld games. I think this is because the Bethesda ones are dumbed down in what you can do, plus they hold your hand with missions and always tell you what to do and where to go and mark stuff on a map, which to me detracts immensely from gameplay. I grew up playing games that didn't tell me where to go or what to do aside from hints, and expected me to use my head to figure stuff out for myself.
I think many modern gamers are incapable of this, or find it too much of a challenge.
I found combat the least of what makes these games interesting. If I want combat, I have doom. The exploration, puzzles, immersive story and general figuring out of "wtf is going on" is what makes this genre great for me.
I think I talked about the name and how the game would have been better served, and probably sold more, with a different one. I think Neuroshock is what I suggested.
I think it might have done better if it was linked this way to the System Shock legacy. A name change isn't going to massively flip sales, but I think a different name would have been a good idea.
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Some people complain about the demise of games on DVD's but one of the many benefits of digital downloads is all of these free deals on old games that we never had with physical copies.
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Some people complain about the demise of games on DVD's but one of the many benefits of digital downloads is all of these free deals on old games that we never had with physical copies.
So true, I agree.
There was those free demos and games that came with magazines, even way back in time (90´s). One usually ended buying the magazine just for the game, if it included a playthrough guide that you were also interested in then that was a added bonus. Man, that seems like yesterday, crazy how time goes by and how things change!
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Yeah Red and it was the same with Strategy and Tactics Magazine..But it just for the war game inside..Still have good thoughts on being introduced to the hobby by a friend and getting excited when a new game came out..That part is pretty much the same now
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What's a magazine?
My last magazine subscription was to National Geographic and that was dropped circa 2005.
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I got a subscription to Car and Driver years ago for something like $5 per year, and just never canceled, so I get one of those sent to me every month or two. I've thought about canceling, but it's not worth the effort in figuring out how to do it .
I also subscribed to a digital version of Automobile magazine a while back, for a similar price, and they stopped publication and converted it over to Motor Trend, so I have that in digital form. It's kind of cool, because on decent-sized tablet, it looks like the magazine, and you can swipe from page to page.
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My last magazine subscription was to National Geographic and that was dropped circa 2005.
I have every single issue of "Flight Journal" since it started in ~2006, in binders. The only magazine I subscribe to and I intend to keep doing so as long as it is published.
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Iam old-school...
I like to buy books and print out my manuals (DCS etc.) form PDF´s. I just hate it when your tablet is out of battery, and I already spend to much time on a PC monitor. Don´t know if I will be around that long, but would like to see all these youngsters eyesight´s 20 years from now, without counting there wrist/forearm/muscles injuries!
Magazines are not what they used to be IMHO. They basically just have fillers with some basic knowledge of the subject, mostly backed up by the sponsor. Editorials have been long sold to who sponors them so no real facts anymore. I long stopped buying Guitar Player magazine because of all the BS they wrote about products and players. Not worth the 7€ at all! Same goes for other hobby magazines, except wargame or electronics magazines because at least you get something in return and not just someones opinion.
So yeah I´ll stick to the smell of books. In a survival situation I can always use them as tinder
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I have no doubt that the majority of consumers over the age of about 45 still prefer printed media. Naturally though that segment of consumers will eventually pass and be replaced by the follow up generations which have demonstrated so far that digital media is greatly preferred.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
I have no doubt that the majority of consumers over the age of about 45 still prefer printed media.
I'm in my 60's now and I don't go anywhere without my Kindle.. had it for years. Used to take it on the ships when I deployed instead of lugging around a load of heavy books!
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While there are advantages to portability, that dosen´t mean it´s safe/healthy. As with all that big money is involved, there is a tendency that even if it´s harmful for you they wont tell you. We all know that, but we promote comfort over anything else now days. A average car weighs about 2,871 lbs. which in turn uses aprox 656 gallons of fosil fuel a year. That´s just to move/transport your average male/female of 190lbs. We are doing great as humans, and we want to save the planet!
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