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#4535330 - 08/31/20 02:55 AM New F1 rules for 2021  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4535340 - 08/31/20 05:02 AM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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The bigger changes will come in 2022, when the teams redesign their cars again. They will use the same designs for 2021 as they are using in 2020.

This means that Ferrari for instance will not (maybe) become competitite again until 2022.

#4535349 - 08/31/20 10:52 AM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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It’s a good thing these changes are constantly occurring since it gives CodeMasters justification for releasing a new F1 game every freaking year.


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#4535359 - 08/31/20 12:57 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I'm all for any changes that lower cost and tighten the field. Having a spending cap might be effective in doing just that, but then again, maybe not.

The best thing for me as a fan of the sport would be to see more variance in who is running up front and who is not. I think inverted grids are too extreme from a sporting point of view, but would make F1 a much better spectacle from a neutral's perspective. I think I'd like to see regulations that require a team to qualify their cars on the same every-thing as their race trim. Fuel load, tires, aero package, engine mapping. And eliminate DRS-type stuff, any dynamic, race-adjustable mechanical, aero or power tech.

You know what I love? The camera they put in the track in the middle of Eau Rouge. That perspective is awesome smile


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#4535360 - 08/31/20 01:13 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond


The best thing for me as a fan of the sport would be to see more variance in who is running up front and who is not.



This is exactly why NASCAR made those major rule changes by adding the "Chase" to the final 10 races of the season in order to make it "more interesting" for the tv viewers. Judging by the subsequent plummeting tv ratings it didn't work.


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#4535368 - 08/31/20 03:07 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I agree, but only to a point, because I don't like the chase/playoffs, so for me it does not make it better as a sport. For me, I suspect the reason it was done was to keep the broadcasters and owners of the tracks at the tail-end of the season happy, by filling the stands and keeping the gate rolling in. If the title is decided at Texas for example, then no one cares about Martinsville and Phoenix. I get it, and if I were running NASCAR I would be looking to do the same sort of thing.

But as a race fan I want the title decided on straight points, no matter when in the season it happens.

If you want to keep it interesting, how about a promotion-relegation setup? Blasphemy I guess, but it would keep the tail end of the season intriguing even if the title were already secured.


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I always thought that NASCAR got more interesting when the championship was decided with 2-3 races left to go, more drivers threw caution to the wind and just went for it once they have either locked up the championship or had been eliminated from contention for the championship.


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#4535403 - 08/31/20 08:53 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: DBond]  
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Originally Posted by DBond
I agree, but only to a point, because I don't like the chase/playoffs, so for me it does not make it better as a sport. For me, I suspect the reason it was done was to keep the broadcasters and owners of the tracks at the tail-end of the season happy, by filling the stands and keeping the gate rolling in. If the title is decided at Texas for example, then no one cares about Martinsville and Phoenix. I get it, and if I were running NASCAR I would be looking to do the same sort of thing.

But as a race fan I want the title decided on straight points, no matter when in the season it happens.

If you want to keep it interesting, how about a promotion-relegation setup? Blasphemy I guess, but it would keep the tail end of the season intriguing even if the title were already secured.

When I was racing boats back in the day, we could throw out some races that we did bad in. Iirc it was 2 or 3 out of 15 races.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4536536 - 09/10/20 04:34 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I've summed up the rules for 2021, as the rules from the opening post have been postponed to 2022 due to Covid:

- Cost cap has been further reduced by $30 million to $145 million
- Sliding scale aero development allows bad teams up to 25% more aero development time than the number 1 team. From 2022 onwards this will be 40%
- Work on the 2022 cars is banned until january 2021
- The 2020 chassis has to be used in 2021 (painful for Renault, since they're still running the 2019 chassis)
- The underfloor will be clipped by 10cm at the rear tyre, the current aero slats following the edges of the underfloor will be banned. Analysis by Mark Hughes and Giorgio Piola HERE
- Tyres will be the 2020 tyres
- Car development is completely banned from the first race of 2021 onwards, except for aerodynamics, hydraulic piping, ECU, and a single special suspension for Monaco.

Sources:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...ules-for-aero.7Hkn5yOebeUXnCes3v22L.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...means-for-f1.7Ct7mIJFG7G6hkypDQNHmU.html
How much of F1's development is frozen between 2020 and 2021

I wish they made more sacrifices to the underfloor and get back to car sizes from the 1990's. I don't mind cars being 6 seconds slower, as long as it promotes good racing, current F1 speeds are only visible in cornering shots anyway

Originally Posted by DBond
If you want to keep it interesting, how about a promotion-relegation setup? Blasphemy I guess, but it would keep the tail end of the season intriguing even if the title were already secured.

A title-winning F2 team spends less than 6 million USD. In F1, a customer engine package alone costs $18 million. The gap is just too big, and that's not changing because nobody watches Formula 2. No viewers = no sponsorship.
We'll have to settle for the good racing in the midfield of F1, and the great racing in F2. In F1, I just don't bother looking at the top 3 positions anymore, focussing on the rest of the field. It just sucks that for some reason, the camera is magnetized to the Mercedes cars.

Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
When I was racing boats back in the day, we could throw out some races that we did bad in. Iirc it was 2 or 3 out of 15 races.

Chain Bear F1 did a good video on it, the TL;DR version of it is that you'll need to cancel 18 out of 21 races to make a difference.
Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH40oIHM8Zc

#4536537 - 09/10/20 04:49 PM Re: New F1 rules for 2021 [Re: Vaderini]  
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Originally Posted by Vaderini
and that's not changing because nobody watches Formula 2. No viewers = no sponsorship.



Yup and the same thing happens with NASCAR. Both the Truck series and the Xfinity series get only a fraction of the viewers that the main top tier NASCAR series gets. For the mainstream/casual viewer why are they going to waste their time watching obscure drivers when they can be watching the big name famous drivers instead?


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