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#4533770 - 08/16/20 04:43 AM That looks like a B-2  
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Do they Chinese commies ever have an original idea and not copy and steal from the USA ?

https://news.yahoo.com/xian-h-20-chinas-latest-130000956.html

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The new commie Russia bomber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_PAK_DA also look like stolen from the USA !

https://www.airway1.com/tupolev-begins-construction-of-pak-da-the-first-russian-stealth-bomber/

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Those Chinese and Russian commies could had had an idea that didn't look like they just copied and paste the design of a B-2.

Something like this:

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#4533772 - 08/16/20 05:05 AM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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#4533774 - 08/16/20 08:34 AM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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#4533776 - 08/16/20 09:45 AM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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And this looks like a Concorde but was a complete failure technically.

You could argue that if you took two independent teams and asked them to design something to do a very specific job that they would end up having very similar features. However I'm pretty sure it's well documented that the Russians tried to steal secrets from the Concorde project and may even have been 'supplied' with false documents to throw them off. However,the Russians didn't have the expertise to replicate certain features,such as the leading edge contour.

That B-2 copy (if it actually exists) will just make a useful target for the Americans.

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#4533785 - 08/16/20 01:30 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Despite the childish, and borderline PWEC, nature of the OP it is well known that both the Russians and Chinese are notorious for stealing and copying western engineering achievements.


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#4533795 - 08/16/20 04:00 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Someone here has no issues and objection whatsoever in China and Russia copying and stealing from the USA and the west, taking away the hard work of million of people who spent countless hours to create and produce original ideas and products. He also needs to learn what sarcasm is when I posted the image of the Star Wars bomber.


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#4533802 - 08/16/20 05:26 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Did the Americans copy the MiG-25 (1964) with the F-15 (1972)?


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4533805 - 08/16/20 06:03 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Completely sidestepping the fact that (as someone already noted above) that China and Russia are known to steal and copy - let's assume for the sake of argument they're only copying based on the shape of the airframe (no stolen "secret sauce" or anything).

That would be a perfectly logical thing to do - it's not like there's some patent or copyright that can be enforced there. You see your competitor doing something that's working well for them (and better than anything you've got) then hell yeah you try doing the same thing yourself if you can...

It should go without saying if there's theft involved then I have a huge problem with it, but if it's a case of "Hey look what THEY built, looks like a great idea, we should try and build one of our own, we'll start by copying that airframe", well who can blame them...

#4533810 - 08/16/20 07:03 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: JimK]  
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Originally Posted by JimK
Such a Child, Please go away.


Refrain from calling other members names. You can comment on the merits (or lack thereof) of the posts content without characterizing the author.

#4533811 - 08/16/20 07:06 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Mehhh.

Russia has pretty much shelved both it's vaunted "Stealth Fighter" and the Armada "super" tank.


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#4533813 - 08/16/20 07:15 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Someone here has no issues and objection whatsoever in China and Russia copying and stealing from the USA and the west, taking away the hard work of million of people who spent countless hours to create and produce original ideas and products.


That is not a logical conclusion to be drawn from the posts in this thread.

Opposing nations engage in espionage, and exploit technological gains from that. It is not new. That doesn't necessarily mean that when someone does not join in on whining about it, that they therefor approve of such theft of intellectual property. It is reasonable to view getting spun up about it on a forum as an exercise in futility. Especially in light of the lack of feasible remedies available to us.

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He also needs to learn what sarcasm is when I posted the image of the Star Wars bomber.


Given the totality of your posts on these forums, someone can be forgiven for not picking up on that. Maybe throw a "[/sarcasm]" on the end of your post to help out with that.

#4533819 - 08/16/20 08:38 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...echnology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231

I read somewhere months ago, that the F-35 is already useless if we were to go to war against China cos they have stolen everything about the F-35 and use that info to make their new generation of jet fighters to be better than the F-35. Will try to locate that news article.


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...echnology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231

I read somewhere months ago, that the F-35 is already useless if we were to go to war against China cos they have stolen everything about the F-35 and use that info to make their new generation of jet fighters to be better than the F-35. Will try to locate that news article.


We're already working on planes that'll be better than the F-35 too, and will probably have them in service before China achieves parity with the F-35 (which they SOMEday likely will).

And I doubt China - even with stolen knowledge - will be matching the F-35 anytime soon.

#4533833 - 08/16/20 10:50 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Did the Americans copy the MiG-25 (1964) with the F-15 (1972)?



It would only be fair if we did since the Russians copied the the North American A3J/A-5 Vigilante (first flight 1958) and it's early mockups even had the twin tail:

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#4533834 - 08/16/20 10:56 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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And don't forget the Tu-4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4
Not so much espionage but still a blattent copy


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#4533836 - 08/16/20 11:17 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922/china-copycat-air-force/

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...echnology-its-j-20-stealth-fighter-66231

I read somewhere months ago, that the F-35 is already useless if we were to go to war against China cos they have stolen everything about the F-35 and use that info to make their new generation of jet fighters to be better than the F-35. Will try to locate that news article.

In the late 1970's, then-President Carter cancelled the B-1 bomber program when it was revealed that the then-Soviet Union already had an interceptor that could easily take it down. After Ronald Reagan cancelled the cancellation (and I believe after the Soviet Union fell) we found out that it was all a gigantic bluff. So now, when I hear Russia's unstoppable hypersonic missiles and China's better-than-the-F35 stealth fighters I'm less than impressed.


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#4533837 - 08/16/20 11:18 PM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Those Russians weapon engineers: no imagination!


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Originally Posted by Mark Aisthorpe
And don't forget the Tu-4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-4
Not so much espionage but still a blattent copy



The Russian ZIS-110 was a copy of a 1942 Packard, the Salyut camera copy of a Hasselblad 1600, the Kiev II camera was a copy of the Zeiss Contax II, the Dubna 48K PC was a copy of a Sinclair ZX Spectrum, the KIM 10-50 was a copy of the English Ford Perfect..... the list goes on.

The Chinese have raised coping western automobiles to an art-form. The Landwind is a copy of a Range Rover, Zotye SR9 is a copy of a Porche Macan and there are over a dozen more examples.


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#4533842 - 08/17/20 12:02 AM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Those Russians weapon engineers: no imagination!


At their best point, the East Bloc only achieved 1/3rd of the economic power of the West, so they had to be a lot more efficient with their R&D resources.

Hence their willingness to copy wherever they could, although they did come up with plenty of unique solutions of their own.

#4533851 - 08/17/20 04:25 AM Re: That looks like a B-2 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Did the Americans copy the MiG-25 (1964) with the F-15 (1972)?


No, we designed the F-15A to be able to beat what we thought was the MiG-25.

Then we got our hands on MiG-25, and realized that, maybe top speed aside, the late model F-104 could probably have handled it.

Oh well, we got the (at the time) world's best air superiority fighter out of the deal.

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