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#4530034 - 07/15/20 10:29 AM Re: No threads on the Bonhomme Richard fire? [Re: JimK]  
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Originally Posted by JimK
Originally Posted by Lieste
It was in dock under maintenance. It had zero aircraft, zero helicopters.

I don't know modern naval practice, but earlier (age of sail) practice was to essentially strip all ordnance and stores from a vessel undergoing repair. This was universal for large repair, but common for merely returning to dock in some dockyards (though that from a limitation of channel depth and access as much as anything).


Thanks, but refurb work is even more dangerous on ship like this. To much flammable materials.


And most, if not all, normal procedures and features are unable to be used. Watertight doors are secured open and unable to be shut, fire suppression systems are disarmed, and usually not enough crew is aboard to form proper DC parties. Just look at the USS Miami fire from not too many years back. A painter in the yard wanted the afternoon off so he started a small fire with flammable rags to get the boat evacuated, and it ended up costing the navy a fast-attack sub.


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#4530041 - 07/15/20 11:15 AM Re: No threads on the Bonhomme Richard fire? [Re: Timothy]  
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Originally Posted by Timothy
Originally Posted by F4UDash4



Comment from above:

"We can bet on one thing. Every single lessons learned that comes out of the LHD-6 fire investigation report will have been included previously on one or more prior reports concerning similar fires which occurred aboard other vessels being modified or repaired in port. Count on it."


Yep. This happened because prior lessons learned were ignored.

The US Navy has shifted focus from ship handling and ship safety / damage control to "other things" that have nothing to do with ships or war fighting.



Ooooooo ooooooo, I would love to guess, but it'd end up PWEC.



It almost makes you wish for a major war to break out so that the Navy can be forced back on the straight and narrow. Almost.

Either way, the USN of today is certainly not the USN of WW 2 and I'm not talking about the hardware either.

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#4530435 - 07/17/20 11:35 PM Re: No threads on the Bonhomme Richard fire? [Re: Discord]  
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So...

I guess it's toast, literally. Luckily, nobody died, although I expect repercussions.

So what happened?

Why in the world does a ship being refit have a MILLION gals of fuel on board?

Wild guess, the contractor has nowhere near enough insurance to cover the loss, and some "upwardly mobile after retirement" person in the Navy, or even better, congressional influence, allows that to happen.



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#4530628 - 07/20/20 12:03 AM Re: No threads on the Bonhomme Richard fire? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Imagine if we had these during World War II in the Pacific and at Normandy.



Even better, imagine if we had a Nimitz class carrier during WW2!! We would have won the war in the Pacific in like 1 month!!!


I really wish that movie The Final Countdown would have gone there - even if it'd had been ultimately "erased for proper timeline continuity" in the movie plot.

They came so close to it, I remember thinking "Oh THIS ought to be sick", then things got so anti-climactic...

#4530775 - 07/21/20 03:09 AM Re: No threads on the Bonhomme Richard fire? [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
So...

I guess it's toast, literally. Luckily, nobody died, although I expect repercussions.

So what happened?

Why in the world does a ship being refit have a MILLION gals of fuel on board?

Wild guess, the contractor has nowhere near enough insurance to cover the loss, and some "upwardly mobile after retirement" person in the Navy, or even better, congressional influence, allows that to happen.

Ballast?


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