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#4530405 - 07/17/20 09:17 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Band of Brothers ended kind of lamely.

All that action, bonding, and adversity and in the end they just write that the War ended and they all went home to boring lives.

Winters winding up as a personnel exec at a chemical company owned by his buddy Nixon and pushing paperwork? Hack writing, to be sure. wink


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#4530411 - 07/17/20 09:34 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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There wasn't much action in the last episodes 8, 9 and 10 of Band of Brothers.


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#4530415 - 07/17/20 09:51 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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That was kind of the way the war went.


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#4530419 - 07/17/20 10:05 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Dexter also had a great, fitting ending to the series.


See, I thought the ending wasn't that great, but I also felt the last season it had started to jump the shark.


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#4530423 - 07/17/20 10:19 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart


Winters winding up as a personnel exec at a chemical company owned by his buddy Nixon and pushing paperwork? Hack writing, to be sure. wink


He started his own company later. Reading "Conversations with Major Dick Winters: Life Lessons from the Commander of the Band of Brothers by Cole C. Kingseed" Now, great book. great man.


Kingseed and he wrote his autobiography (Beyond Band of Brothers: The War Memoirs of Major Dick Winters). They went back and forth about how to split the proceeds, decided on donating all of it to charity.

Oh and Winters insisted on paying his back taxes when he returned home even though his military pay wasn't taxable.


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#4530443 - 07/18/20 01:15 AM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I didn’t like the ending of “Rome,” a third season with Octavian consolidating power. Both “Travelers” and “Dark Matter” had crappy endings, in that they both ended on cliffhangers when the next seasons were canceled. At least “Defiance” got the cancellation notice early enough for a decent ending to be written.


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#4530467 - 07/18/20 12:09 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Agreed on “Rome”. The ending could and WOULD have been much better but the producers were already told by HBO that the series was being cancelled so they had to cram everything they could into season 2 to wrap things up.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Agreed on “Rome”. The ending could and WOULD have been much better but the producers were already told by HBO that the series was being cancelled so they had to cram everything they could into season 2 to wrap things up.


I think one reason Rome ended so abruptly was that they ran out of relevant history. AT the rate they were going, if they continued on, it would have had been during the time of Jesus, which would be interesting, but has been done so many times before.

Also, until GoT, the Rome episodes were the most costly HBO had ever done and they just couldn't sustain that. There was talk of making Rome movies to follow, following the 13th Legion, but I guess that didn't happen.

Also, I agree with PM about GoT...that's fine if she went crazy, but it was like all of a sudden someone flipped on her evil switch. It wasn't like she had shown signs over the course of the season of the magnitude of it all. It just felt like the writers were like, you know, we're done--she flips out and that's the end of it.

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Oh I would like to add The Unit ended badly. But this was because with the war on terror becoming increasingly unpopular, they called the show after 5 seasons leaving story arcs abandoned.

Also True Blood ended badly. It was a great concept then by a season or two before the end it just got cheesy bad. They even introduced a new illness that was dilapidating to vampires that they forgot they already had in season 1

JAG ended badly but again they were falling victim to the unpopular war on terror plus the story lines were getting cheesy. But it spun off NCIS, which really at that time was what they were more interested in anyway

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#4530481 - 07/18/20 02:05 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, cancelled after 2 season by FOX. Dollhouse cancelled after 1 season by FOX. Firefly cancelled after 1 season by FOX. Harsh Realm cancelled after airing only 3 of 9 episodes by FOX. VR.5 cancelled after 10 of 13 episodes aired by FOX. Keen Eddie cancelled after 1 of 7 episodes aired. FOX bosses must be idiots!


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#4530482 - 07/18/20 02:12 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
FOX bosses must be idiots!



They are simply a business just like any other tv network. All of those shows you listed were cancelled due to low viewer numbers. Now you can argue whether or not you feel Fox properly promoted those shows but that's a different issue.

Also keep in mind that Firefly debuted 18 years ago. The economics of tv production and how big of an audience a network needed to keep a show on the air was fundamentally different from what it is now in our streaming era.

edit: Dollhouse ran 2 for season by the way.

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#4530493 - 07/18/20 03:01 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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My bad. Dollhouse did run for 2 seasons. I love all those shows. They are shows of my childhood. You mention low viewer number, okay, I understand. But to cancel a show after only airing ONE (Keen Eddie) or THREE (Harsh Realm) episodes?

One more: Nowhere Man on UPN was abruptly cancelled after 1 season. Love the opening!



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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Now you can argue whether or not you feel Fox properly promoted those shows but that's a different issue.


Proper TV series promotion is a big deal. I never watched Firefly in its original run because I didn't know it existed or only saw a few short promos that didn't do the series justice. IF it had been promoted properly, through various means, I would certainly watched as probably would many others in which case the series would have stood a good chance of surviving for several season IMO.

Same goes for movie promotion. "John Carter" being a prime example. Poorly promoted and the inexplicable dropping "of Mars" from the title hurt the movie greatly, as the movie itself is much better (IMO) than the rather dated (1912!) book upon which it was based.


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When the History Channel could no longer be called the Hitler Channel, television all but died for me. Even mornings with Robin Meade on HLN lost appeal when she got heavy into social media news. frown Fortunately I have my favorite History Channel programs on DVD and a buttload of VHS tape recordings to cover the rest.

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We had no idea what they were talking about. I occupied my thoughts with imaginary math problems (was just getting into trig and seeing right triangles in everything). For example, I had estimated the distance from the center of our table to the exact location in 3D space (XYZ) where my marriage was consummated on my wedding night was ~13' (`4m).Lol. Everyone else (other than wife) was thinking GoT. Must have been some show and a special episode to skip dessert, in the age of DVR.



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#4530502 - 07/18/20 04:51 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
When the History Channel could no longer be called the Hitler Channel, television all but died for me.


Much of the good stuff is now on YouTube, like the old "Discovery Wings" programs. That was great TV, no fluff, no MTV music scores or fancy graphic / screen fades just original historic footage and factual information narrated, in some cases at least, by Peter Ustinov.


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#4530520 - 07/18/20 06:36 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I think we can distinguish between shows that ran their course and those that was cancelled.

Cancelled shows will often have a bad ending since they might be cut off mid-story.
"Completed" shows have had a chance to tell their full story.

I think I'd supressed a lot of shows I felt ended badly, and just can't recall them very much - or it was shows I didn't care that much about to begin with smile

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Buffy the Vampire Slayer was cancelled by WB after 5 season and I think it ended great. The producers knew it was their final season so they made sure the 5th season was well written and done.

Then UPN bought it and ran it for 2 more seasons before cancelling it. Yes I am grateful for the 2 extra season but I think the UPN 7th season series finale of it was good but not as good as the WB 5th season series finale.

This is the WB 5th season series finale:




This is the UPN 7th season series finale, first with a small clip showing how they got there





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#4530540 - 07/19/20 12:48 AM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Oh no! Not Buffy...

What about those real life witches that pretended to be magical witches on TNT? (forgot the name, was forced to watch it like twice, banned it from the house)...Oh yeah, Charmed. Pure Garbage


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#4530616 - 07/19/20 10:53 PM Re: When good shows end badly. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Maybe it’s my age demographic but I find it hard to comprehend why any male over the age of like 17 would have watched Buffy.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Maybe it’s my age demographic but I find it hard to comprehend why any male over the age of like 17 would have watched Buffy.


What if your girlfriend of the time was a huge Buffy fan, and insisted you watch it?

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