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#4015846 - 09/29/14 01:09 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4015847 - 09/29/14 01:10 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Not sure how it works in the United states but in the UK and most of Europe the online casino's pay very little in the way of taxes. most of them a registered in Malta or the channel islands to avoid paying taxes.
But I bet (pun) they make a lot of political donations because nobody is holing them accountable for there lack Of contributions.

#4015866 - 09/29/14 01:50 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4016907 - 10/01/14 08:34 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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The concept of gambling could in theory be expanded to include such broad things as how everyone lives their lives daily. So much of what people do is a form of risk management, risk calculation, spending time and money now hoping that an investment pays off later. One example is spending the money to further one's education or going to trade school, someone else raised buying stock in a company. These are forms of gambling, but not quite the same type of gambling as Vegas gambling, where generally you have little involvement in the outcome (through the dice, spin the wheel, then you watch what happens). Certain games offer more or less better odds, but there is a different effect on the psychology.

It's probably the immediate gratification or risk that people see. That's what makes a gambling 'addict' different than someone who plays the stock market. The gambler at the craps table (which is a fun social game- the more players, the more fun it gets, potentially the most psychologically rewarding game when you have hot shooters, watch how players at the table just get mesmerized and really into it) who can't leave is operating from a different mindset. These are people who are riding on the thrills of both the high and the lows, this tends to be a different phenomenon, because it no longer is about the money- the money might be vanishing or it might be piling up, a gambling addiction doesn't necessarily care which is the case, that's what makes it so apparent.

This also goes to explain how people are different and have different vices, why one man has a hard time understanding another man's addiction- whether these are chemical dependencies or psychological habits, people are wired differently and get rewards differently. There are people who like to curl up alone with a book, there are people who like to watch golf, there are people who like gambling, there are people who like race car driving. The two friends I have who I would consider to have moderate gambling habits (meaning they gamble a few times a week online and make several trips to Vegas every year) are also smokers and don't function well without a cup of coffee every morning. There's probably a correlation to that type of chemistry going on with these people. When they are gambling, they tend to put off everything else- food, sleep, entertainment, interaction with their friends, but not the coffee and cigarettes, which keep them going all night.

#4017137 - 10/02/14 01:39 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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I don't have the money to throw away and I prefer to have something to show for if I'm dropping hundreds of dollars. Same reason why I don't go out drinking, just a waste of money.
Feel bad, but these are choices. Like when people get addicted to alcohol or cigs, easiest thing was to never start to begin with.


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#4017155 - 10/02/14 02:03 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Depends on how much one gambles and the comps the casino is offering.

We did the cost analysis of a vacation trip to Boston or NYC versus the same time spent in Vegas. Turns out it's a wash; the money just gets spent differently if one sets spending limits from the outset.

The funny thing is that I tought my son probabilities for school using craps as my example, and he got it right away - including understanding what are the sucker bets.

I also made a deal with him a long time ago that if he defers drinking and smoking until he is 21, I will carry him to Vegas and buy him his first shot, lend him a cigarette (which should be fun - which will make him puke first?), and teach him how to gamble. He's stuck to it, so I'll definately follow through. However, he's been raised to think of all three as not such a big deal in and of themselves, but rather useful symbols in the rite of passage that needn't be dwelled on.

Plus a long set of reminders that he carries inside him the genes of addiction, particularly alcoholism, and he should be actively aware of how much and how often he drinks, looking for any sort of pattern of regularity (and then knock it off). Otherwise one winds up in meetings where everyone tells each other they're good people at heart but that they're not allowed to drink anymore. Meetings! Anything that requires one to go to meetings where one is forced to share their feelings can't be good.


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#4017197 - 10/02/14 03:23 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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The psychology of addiction is a very complex
Most of us can overindulge. be it food of alcohol etc
But addictive personality's are compelled to keep going even though they know its doing them harm.
I doesn't seem to mater what your IQ is a lot of the stories I read were from professional people
With good jobs family's, But one thing I did notice a lot of them stated they suffered from depression
Prior to there addictive practices. I also read there may be a link with certain type of medications prescribed to them.

#4018309 - 10/05/14 09:25 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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The casino refuses to pay,

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#4018818 - 10/06/14 06:23 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Professional gamblers sort of throw the system out of whack- they don't play slots (which are fools' bets- they appeal to novice gamblers because there either is no skill involved, or because it lacks the social conventions required to interact with dealers and other players, which might be intimidating) , they don't play roulette, they typically play cards. They hedge a little by relying on stock rules of thumb which might be the best possible bet available to a player in a given situation, and they might look for any other competitive edge- memorizing cards. There is fine line here of what 'cheating' is and a legitimate skill, casinos will argue things like memorizing defects or differences in cards isn't really playing the game as it was meant to be played (that is, in an ideal world), it's more of a hack, in today's cliche, over used jargon.

For the rest of us, playing in casinos and actually winning money is sort of a bonus- you don't really expect to always win. Even if you are a skilled player in games that actually require some input and skill, the odds are never 'fair' odds, that is, the pay schedule doesn't correlate with the true odds. There are some bets in craps that are more or less the exception and are closer to true odds, but generally, even an exceptional player can expect a slow and steady bleed- you might win 75 cents for every dollar you play, over the long haul, the house wins. But that's also why the casinos offer 'generous' amenities such as free drinks or dinners or shows or comped rooms if you like to gamble a lot and have earned club points or something, it's all part of the experience rather than simply throwing money away. If you can appreciate that, if you're the kind of person who likes to gamble at resort casinos and likes the whole experience, you're fine if you have limits and strategies that generally let you walk away after winning or losing enough.

#4018821 - 10/06/14 06:29 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Personally, the concept of odds and making future predictions off of probability is interesting to me because of the debate between determinism and free will. People often assume that there is such a thing as free will, that assumption often doesn't go challenged in most every day situations, but when you examine the issue, it's not so cut and dried, and certainly has never been proven. Reality might after all be determined from series of mathematical conclusions from the past leading to the future, a causal chain of events like dominoes knocking one over another that you cannot escape- the illusion of choice and free will exist because we are not omniscient beings who see the outcome beforehand, which is overdetermined, if you like.

#4018822 - 10/06/14 06:31 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: Mechanus]  
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Originally Posted By: Mechanus
Personally, the concept of odds and making future predictions off of probability is interesting to me because of the debate between determinism and free will. People often assume that there is such a thing as free will, that assumption often doesn't go challenged in most every day situations, but when you examine the issue, it's not so cut and dried, and certainly has never been proven. Reality might after all be determined from series of mathematical conclusions from the past leading to the future, a causal chain of events like dominoes knocking one over another that you cannot escape- the illusion of choice and free will exist because we are not omniscient beings who see the outcome beforehand, which is overdetermined, if you like.


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#4018841 - 10/06/14 06:59 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Had to look that reference up- I would like to hear your summary on it, if you don't mind. Would you happen to know what sort of inspirations Dune might be based on? The look of the 1980s film had a 19th-early 20th Century colonial European aesthetic with costumes and affect, political structures, etc.

The concept of course exists in Indian philosophy, kharma isn't simply expecting to be paid in kind for your actions, but it actually supposes a description on causality. Without throwing genetic predispositions into the pot, since the day you were born, life experiences have shaped you as an individual and affect personality, conscience, decision making and so forth. So someone with heavy kharma has a lot to struggle with.

#4530191 - 07/16/20 05:10 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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A fried of mine died the last week, he was addicted, not only to gambling, but also to drugs. An addiction brings other addictions to our lives. Take care of yourself and your family, we live in a very dirty world.

#4530193 - 07/16/20 05:43 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4530194 - 07/16/20 05:55 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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2 posts and resurrects a vey old thread.


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#4530211 - 07/16/20 11:23 AM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: Ajay]  
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Originally Posted by Ajay
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Are you inferring that I'm a bot as well? At least accuse me of something fancy like being the cylon god.


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#4530222 - 07/16/20 12:28 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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#4530292 - 07/16/20 07:54 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: marko1231123]  
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Kind of topical though.
I have noticed that during the lockdown a very large percentage of the adds I get on YouTube have been for online gambling.


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#4530297 - 07/16/20 08:46 PM Re: Online gambling is destroying people's lives. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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Are you inferring that I'm a bot as well? At least accuse me of something fancy like being the cylon god.



Ha, nah. I always imagine you astride a warhorse plunderering Europe in a gstring and a massive white furcoat.

Didn't you pick up on one of these necro bots in a thread last week?


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