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#4528470 - 07/02/20 11:23 PM missing river water textures  
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Hi, me again, with another problem; To refresh, I have upgraded to an AMD cpu (R5 3600) and Sapphire pulse rx 5600xt, and peripherals, all of which I understood would be better. Well, now I'm at least airborne, but I've noticed that I have no water in either the Lys or the Somme. I've attached pics, the Lys is in June '16, and the Somme is January '17, So I think that removes the season and year as the issue. I've done a clean reinstall (again!!), and have vanilla PE, no mods. Seriously, did I make a mistake going with AMD? I've got to believe the hardware is fine, but I know that for the past 10+ years and two older systems I've had rivers...

(insert crying, frustrated, head-banging, hair-ripping emoji here)

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#4528475 - 07/03/20 12:14 AM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Lofty, I have nothing to add except I hope it's just due to summer drought!

Hope you get it resolved!


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#4528496 - 07/03/20 09:19 AM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Something I have never seen in years of doing this but maybe you did not install DirectX9 or the latest video driver needs installing (or reverting) I guess. Looks like the blending of the river texture isn't working on your PC.

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#4528524 - 07/03/20 01:36 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: Polovski]  
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Originally Posted by Polovski
Something I have never seen in years of doing this


Hooray for me!

I reverted and then reupdated the video drivers, both without success. I re-re-reinstalled, and noticed that I was not presented the option to install DX9 (WOFF UE - patch 4.24 - WOFF PE - patch 5.04) there was a panel to repair C++, which I did. In the toolbox, there is a DX redist.exe with lots of packed DX packages in there; I checked that all those are indeed already in my c:\windows folder. for kicks, I downloaded a DX9 installer, but my windows 10 won't run it.

I also checked that river .dds's are in the WOFF scenery folder. they are, with lovely water there. oh, and I can see oceans and lake water.
anyone with AMD experience about a box somewhere that needs to be checked or unchecked? Is there one particular spot that I need to hit with a hammer??

#4528544 - 07/03/20 05:00 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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You MUST install DirectX9. No WOFF does not offer to do it.
It's in the WOFF UE FAQ section 4 tells you how.

Ignore Windows 10 whining about it and continue.




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#4528575 - 07/03/20 08:07 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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shoot, I didn't look for that in the FAQ since I thought I had it covered. so I ran it, and it did whatever it needed to do, but still no joy for the rivers. OK, the FAQ says to do that step right after installing UE, and I did it after everything; not sure that it matters, but what the hey, I have time, so I'll do it all again.

#4528576 - 07/03/20 08:09 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Lofty, the DX9 setup has two stages 1st unpacks the DX9 install files, 2nd step you run DXSetup from the temp folder you unpack too, did you did that?

Made sure no old graphic mods are there, Reshade, Sweetfx etc...


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#4528587 - 07/03/20 09:19 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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yup, unpacked and then ran the setup. no other such graphics mods there. tried changed terrain setting (set to 1, 3, and 5) in workshop, but no change.

#4528593 - 07/03/20 10:16 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Then could be a driver issue or setting, provided all WOFF files are installed OK.
Maybe try different GPU settings, AA off etc (possibly you are "adding" to the AA already in the sim so running out of memory or something else) OR try an older driver perhaps.


Quick googling seems there were AMD issues with background programs using hardware acceleration that was mroe to do with BSODS and black screens etc so probably not that. Maybe close down other apps.
https://community.amd.com/thread/248239
https://steamcommunity.com/app/782330/discussions/0/2143092024473245536/

Hopefully is it something else.

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#4528638 - 07/04/20 10:52 AM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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I tried current and previous drivers; in AMD Radeon Software, disabled everything, and tried all combinations of their AA options.

when I get a chance, I will put back my old GTX660Ti to confirm that it is something to do with my new card, in which case my only hope is someone at AMD. Boy, I sure am glad I spent all that money to upgrade.....

edit: yup, the old card works. looks like it's an AMD thing.

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#4528704 - 07/04/20 06:49 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Bit late to this thread, but from what I've been able to gather across the internet....some tips maybe worth trying are included below:

a) version of drivers 20.2.1 and above supposedly fix the problem (for the relevant AMD GPU)

b) turn off GPU (hardware) acceleration option in Discord, Chrome, and any other programs where you have GPU acceleration turned on, on your computer, and reboot for it to be turned off

c) remove registry keys for previous video card and then re-install the control panel and drivers for your latest AMD vid. card

d) set RAM speed from 2400 to 3000 MHz

e) this option taken from the internet is a more detailed one, to fix crashes on the 5600xt card, but might work also for other anomalies - always read directions carefully before attempting any of this ----->

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1. uninstall radeon software (if freezes or has error dont worry goto 2)
2. run amd clean up utility (if freezes or has error dont worry goto 3)
3. boot windows into safe mode with networking (hold shift while clicking reboot in windows)
4. download and install display driver uninstaller
5. uninstall all gpu stuff and chipset stuff , using ddu , (display driver uninstaller)
6. reboot
7. check device manager, make sure display adapter says generic device, if not repeat steps 1 - 6

8. download amd chipset drivers directly from amd, selecting the appropriate categories (for AMD CPU users,,,, (((i would imagine the same would hold true for intel cpus),
( i didnt use ones from my mobo manufacturer)
9. install the latest correct chipset drivers only from amd, (intel for blue team) ( NO ADRENALIN OR GPU STUFF FROM AMD)

10. reboot
11. download adrenalin, unpack it, (( it will show a generic unzip progress bar, let it finish, when the fancy splash screen comes up that say "do you want to install adrenalin" "CLICK CLOSE / NO ****** DO NOT INSTALL ADRENALIN OR ANY AMD GPU SOFTWARE **** we are just unpacking it to get to the drivers
12. goto device manager right click on generic display driver, hit update driver
> select "browse my computer for driver software"
> choose "let me pick from a list......"
> choose "have disk"
> goto the folder that adrenalin unpacked to ussually c:\amd , im not sure what subfolder it is in, i think one that says adrenalin, either way locate C0353065.inf (i beleive there was a driver subfolder and like a win32 / win64 etc folders, choose the one appropriate for your system) (this may differ slightly for diff versions in the future) click ok, choose the top 5600 xt driver, click next,

13. (this should install the driver without adrenalin, device manager should now say "5600 xt" under display adapters)
>>>>>>>>>>> reboot
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Original posts are here on this AMD thread, for those interested (https://community.amd.com/thread/248239).

Hope some of this info. helps,
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#4528752 - 07/05/20 01:32 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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thanks for the ides, VonS;
a)-d) I had done
I had deleted and reinstalled the drivers, but not as thoroughly as in e). So, I followed the instructions, and...... it didn't work. (again, insert head-banging emoji here. twice, in fact)

For kicks, Iv'e sent off the problem to AMD customer support, but I can't imagine what's left to do. Having it work with the old card does seem to indicate that it's an AMD thing, but what is "it" ???

edit: two other things I've found:
1) I had another texture problem with seeing through the hulls in Silent Hunter 4. sounds similar, huh? well, the above fix worked for that!!!! hooray!
2) I activated xjouve's water mod, and see that water is added in some places, but the original river texture is still there. I would have thought that the original textures would be completely replaced?


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#4528787 - 07/05/20 05:26 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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I know some people swear by ATI/AMD GPUs - they are good value and so on.

I used to work in IT in a large company and we had endless driver issues with ATI cards. For me the experiences then put me off, but they started to buck up with the ATI 8500 and then the ATI 9700 PRO in 2002.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R300_series
This wiki says it all for me

"The 9700 would be the second of ATI's chips (after the 8500) to be shipped to third-party manufacturers instead of ATI producing all of its graphics cards, though ATI would still produce cards off of its highest-end chips. This freed up engineering resources that were channelled towards driver improvements, and the 9700 performed phenomenally well at launch because of this"

Also I used AMD CPUs for a while, but eventually switched back to Intel and NVIDIA and saw an immediate slickness and better compatibility with drivers and so on never looked back. I want AMD to succeed, as competition helps us all but drivers have to be top notch.

So really before the 9700 Pro and sometime afterwards ... not so great drivers. I wonder if the same people are still there making new drivers.

Saying that we have not had other reports with AMD cards causing an issue like this, but maybe try as you say, backup your system then put your NVidia back in and drivers and dx9 and see?

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#4528789 - 07/05/20 05:34 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Originally Posted by loftyc
activated xjouve's water mod, and see that water is added in some places, but the original river texture is still there. I would have thought that the original textures would be completely replaced?



As far as I've been able to see on my rig., the original rivers still stay on the terrains in WOFF even with Xjouve's water mod. added (at least with stock terrains) - also possible is that the original river is still there with his large "Global Layer & Co" installed - but I'll have to load up the global layer one of these days to re-check - I think it was there that way too but I'm flying my campaigns with the stock terrain for now and nibbio's in-flight map.

I recommend applying the "lite" tweak to Xjouve's total water patch ver. 1.1, as indicated at the link here:

https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....casual-campaigns-woff-thread#Post4524783

It minimizes crossover/intersecting between the stock river and new ones that the water patch installs (the lite tweak also helps with fps).

Von S

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#4528892 - 07/06/20 01:08 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: Polovski]  
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Originally Posted by Polovski
... but maybe try as you say, backup your system then put your NVidia back in and drivers and dx9 and see?

yup, that's what I did, and the rivers show, just like before. so now, I can choose between old card, with rivers, but less graphics/performance in all games, or new card, no rivers, better everywhere else. Philosophically, I know life has lots of choices to be made, but this shouldn't be one of them.

Also, note that my SH4 does now work, without adrenaline running, which points less towards a driver problem and more towards something in that software suite. Am I missing anything by not having that running (image sharpening, etc)? I posted over in an AMD forum, but no one has suggested anything yet : https://community.amd.com/thread/254824
It says that "No one else has this question" there either, so I guess that makes me doubly special?

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Originally Posted by Polovski
... but maybe try as you say, backup your system then put your NVidia back in and drivers and dx9 and see?


Yup, that's what I did, and the rivers show, just like before. So now, I can choose between old card, with rivers, but less graphics/performance in all games, or new card, no rivers, better everywhere else. Philosophically, I know life has lots of choices to be made, but this shouldn't be one of them.



OK yeah no worries, I didn't mean it would fix WOFF's rivers appearing if you mod the game, I meant for the blending issue. WOFF's rivers are made differently so yes the mod won't delete them.


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#4528959 - 07/06/20 09:58 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Maybe disable anti aliasing totally and test. Then try anisotropic filtering off, and any new features, try other settings in the drivers one at a time maybe. Set to override game settings (or whatever its called in AMD software).



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#4528992 - 07/07/20 06:20 AM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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I would also recommend you to "downgrade" your graphic card (AMD) drivers and install older ones ("older" means at least one or two years old). I have had similar experience with AMD video card (HD7870) and new drivers running WOFF in the past. That is also why I finally turned to nVidia.

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Originally Posted by Polovski
Maybe disable anti aliasing totally and test. Then try anisotropic filtering off, and any new features, try other settings in the drivers one at a time maybe. Set to override game settings (or whatever its called in AMD software).



tried all that already.enabled/disabled a whole bunch of combinations, no effect. I also tired the earliest driver I could find for this GPU, from january '20, and then the next earlier ones I found that would run in windows 10 were from 2017; none of those worked, and in fact with the 2017 ones, WOFF wouldn't even run (DLL crash).

I'll keep messing around a little more if I can come up with something to mess with; otherwise I may have to live with dry rivers for a few years until I decide to get another GPU.

#4529076 - 07/07/20 08:15 PM Re: missing river water textures [Re: loftyc]  
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Ok, pretty much out of ideas and you say you did a clean install (i.e.removed all traces of WOFF) and reinstall.
No one else has reported that so it can only be something on the system. What is the issue.

Is Windows 10 fully up to date too?


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