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#4526104 - 06/18/20 10:00 AM Crosswind landing — a bit messy  
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Some pilots may need a refresh now that lockdowns are lifted rolleyes


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#4526144 - 06/18/20 12:52 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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We call that Tuesday around here....except our pilots don't run off into the grass smile


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Seat of the pants stuff!... ''You can teach...''


#4526221 - 06/18/20 08:31 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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#4526227 - 06/18/20 09:36 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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#4526228 - 06/18/20 09:40 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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I'll bet the pilot and co-pilot's seats needed some cleaning.


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#4526247 - 06/19/20 01:36 AM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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A plane is nearing its destination. The pilot turns to his co-pilot and remarks: "That looks like a really short runway." The co-pilot looks at it and says: "Yes, captain, its really short." 100 meters from the runway, the pilot communicates to the passengers and crew: "Fasten your seatbelts, this is going to be an extremely close landing!" The plane touches down on the ground, engages maximum brakes, and with screeching tires comes to a stop two meters from the end of the runway. "Phew, " says the pilot relieved. "That was the shortest landing I've ever made." The co-pilot looks out of the windows and answers: "And certainly on the widest runway I've every seen.."


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Birmingham, with it's single runway, landing much larger aircraft than it was designed to, is notorious for its crosswinds.
My (former) Brother-in-law was quite relieved I've been told, when he was made redundant due to the collapse of Monarch Airways and now with Virgin, he doesn't have to land there anymore.



#4526283 - 06/19/20 11:50 AM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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On that flight in the YT video, they probably carry extra barf bags.


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Apparently the above landing was the 2nd attempt.
The first attempt was a nasty go-around !!! Poor passengers LOL



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#4526365 - 06/19/20 07:34 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Leeds Bradford is well known for it's hairy crosswind landings, it is interesting looking through the cabin window and looking right down the runway, which was my first introduction to the airport, the guy meeting me asked how was it flying sideways smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNPa0-3Cxj8

A few go-arounds on this video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGqV2JN8FQ


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#4526555 - 06/21/20 02:54 AM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Two aborts and switched ends of the field to land. And yes, AWOS was broken and said the same thing for two weeks!



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#4526570 - 06/21/20 07:03 AM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Luckily it was a cargo flight, so no brown pants In the cabin smile

That is some of the worst flying I have ever seen. It looks like there is no rudder input whatsoever during any of the attempts. I am quite surprised two people obviously lacking any ability to fly whatsoever have made it through flight school, selection for their jobs at West Air, and several simulator checks without anyone discovering they actually can’t fly at all.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4527063 - 06/24/20 01:19 AM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
Luckily it was a cargo flight, so no brown pants In the cabin smile

That is some of the worst flying I have ever seen. It looks like there is no rudder input whatsoever during any of the attempts. I am quite surprised two people obviously lacking any ability to fly whatsoever have made it through flight school, selection for their jobs at West Air, and several simulator checks without anyone discovering they actually can’t fly at all.


Yeah....I noticed the serious lack of rudder as well....so obvious even us non pilots can pick it up..lol....at first I was wait for it....wait for it....and then well it ain't happeing with these guys. Can't believe they are not a smoking hole in the ground.

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Originally Posted by WolverineFW
[quote=semmern]Luckily it was a cargo flight, so no brown pants In the cabin smile

That is some of the worst flying I have ever seen. It looks like there is no rudder input whatsoever during any of the attempts. I am quite surprised two people obviously lacking any ability to fly whatsoever have made it through flight school, selection for their jobs at West Air, and several simulator checks without anyone discovering they actually can’t fly at all.


Yeah....I noticed the serious lack of rudder as well....so obvious even us non pilots can pick it up..lol....at first I was wait for it....wait for it....and then well it ain't happeing with these guys. Can't believe they are not a smoking hole in the ground.[/

One of their CRJs did become a smoking hole in the ground a few years ago during a night flight when the captain’s PFD failed and indicated a pitch-up during cruise. He panicked, forgot all procedures and shoved the stick forward. Less than two minutes later they impacted the ground almost vertically at close to Mach 1. So that company has some serious problems when it comes to the skill of their pilots.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4527258 - 06/24/20 08:31 PM Re: Crosswind landing — a bit messy [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Not just failure to use the rudder. There were times his upwind wing was high rather than low into the wind. As said he needed to get on the rudder to straighten it on the centerline. Again he should have the upwind wing low and been using the rudder to hold the center of the runway and directionally aligning the airplane for touchdown. Failing to use ailerons into the wind allowed the upwind wing to get the wind under it and lift the wing so the left wheel raised off the ground. The left wing in the air with the crosswind under it really put the plane in a dangerous position. That is why you don’t quit flying the plane after touchdown. So he didn’t keep the upwind wing low, failed to use rudder, and stopped flying the plane on touchdown. I would question his use of flaps with that much crosswind.

But things that are so simple from the bleachers aren’t when you are actually doing it and it can get away from you. The brain gets overloaded with input and stops processing things correctly or fails to register some new input.


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Good points, OG, but at the point where you have an ATP and sit in the left seat of a medium-sized twin turboprop, with another guy of not insubstantial experience next to you, aileron into wind should be second nature, really. They also touched down with a fair amount of crab, which as soon as some weight got on the wheels led to them going off the side of the runway. Had their energy been high enough, they could have ground-looped that thing with enough weight on the nose wheel. We’ve had a few people touch down too fast and ground-loop two 172s at my airfield over the last year or so. Pretty hard to do, but it’s possible if you try hard enough wink


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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And some “pilots ?”need more than refresher training.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/business/pakistan-fake-pilot-intl-hnk/index.html


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