#4522786 - 05/28/20 04:33 PM
Would you purchase a flight sim...
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...if you thought it was the perfect sim (aircraft, theater, gameplay) except that you were limited to staying in the cockpit with no external views? Just thinking out loud while doing a little reminiscing... New combat jet simulators preferences poll
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#4522792 - 05/28/20 04:42 PM
Re: Would you purchase a flight sim...
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I would not for the simple reason that real pilots in real planes have much better visibility than any flight simmer has while staring at a computer monitor even with the aid of Track IR or VR. Prohibiting the use of any external views would just be adding an artificial difficulty to the sim. Fair point. Sometimes we cheat with external views to make up for what we lack behind a screen.
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#4522794 - 05/28/20 04:48 PM
Re: Would you purchase a flight sim...
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MicroProse's Project: Stealth Fighter for the C64, I think. Imagine how much excruciating detail would never have to be modeled with having no external views (time, resources, etc.), all out-of-canopy graphics limited only to what the pilot can see. ...but the aircraft still needs targets though - so "externals" of other aircraft will need to be done regardless (including wingmen). That being the case, then there is no point in excluding externals for the player craft as it will ultimately need to be done anyway.
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#4522795 - 05/28/20 05:01 PM
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Yes indeed. This is the way I already play. Elite, BMS, Silent Hunter. I don't use externals.
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#4522799 - 05/28/20 05:07 PM
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Yes indeed. This is the way I already play. Elite, BMS, Silent Hunter. I don't use externals. I don't either, but I can see now where a developer would still have to create such detailed graphics regardless. I'm just stuck in my old habit of staying in the pit (going back to F-117 where you had to keep heads down in the MFD screens to survive).
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#4522807 - 05/28/20 05:31 PM
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I'm not sure I could give up external views but if the gameplay was solid enough I'd still like to see a Falklands conflict based sim.
As an aside,I don't use external views for E:D or SC but I have no problem flying in external views in all my flight sims.
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#4522810 - 05/28/20 05:39 PM
Re: Would you purchase a flight sim...
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I wouldn’t mind no external views while flying the sim if some sort of replay track does allow for externals Cheers, Slug
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#4522814 - 05/28/20 06:14 PM
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I wouldn’t mind no external views while flying the sim if some sort of replay track does allow for externals Now I'm reminded of my second sim (and the reason I found SimHQ), Graphsim's 'Hornet Korea'. Their F-18 sim had the most useful and lightweight recorder/playback system. It was always on, never seemed to bog down resources, and created a very small 'tape' file if you chose at the end of a mission to save it. The playback was full screen/full resolution with no VCR button clutter, the replay looking exactly as when you flew the mission, except that you could change to any view that was supported in normal play. You could even do the opposite and stay in the pit during playback if you used external views during the mission. So fast, smooth and convenient (since you never had to hit record). Just an excellent system, IMO.
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#4522817 - 05/28/20 07:12 PM
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To just fly the sim, absolutely in pit only.
However to write/test SP missions/campaigns, external views/ability to jump to other aircraft is almost essential (particularly if you want to do anything more than a very basic mission.
There is also the skinners, screenshot artists, video makers to consider- and these can be an important part of a sims success.
These 'community' aspects can be very important to the life of a sim these days
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#4522827 - 05/28/20 07:52 PM
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...if you thought it was the perfect sim (aircraft, theater, gameplay) except that you were limited to staying in the cockpit with no external views? Just thinking out loud while doing a little reminiscing... New combat jet simulators preferences poll Yes, IF it had VR support for an as of yet unknown VR headset with 4-8k resolution AND it had record/playback ability where I could access an external view.
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#4522829 - 05/28/20 07:55 PM
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I never...NEVER...do any serious "flying" in an external view. That said, I do occasionally like to get that kind of out-of-body-experience feeling if I'm just tooling around. I wouldn't say that not having external views available would be a deal-breaker, but it would diminish my fun a bit and I'd miss it at those times in a flight.
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