#4521181 - 05/17/20 11:10 AM
Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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The kit The booklet The sprue, which is is actually Eduard and not Revell. Annoyed a little bit as i was looking forward to doing a Revell kit as i haven't yet. Detail looks good, some flashy parts but nothing major. The actual plane i will be doing, Red 13 of JV 44. The inscription on the portside reads: “Rein muß er und wenn wir beide weinen!” - In he goes and then we both cry! I'm actually not sure if that relates to a woman or air combat or is a play on both! Either way i'm really looking forward to doing this particular paint job and am currently waiting on a set of decals to turn up from Melbourne via way of a guy who is doing Red 4 and doesn't need the Red 13 decals. A quick bit of info about JV44 - JV 44 comprised a core of experienced pilots (Experten) chosen from Galland's former staff or recruited from units which had been disbanded or were being re-equipped, its complement included 50 pilots and 25 airplanes(262'S). The Platzschutzstaffel (airfield protection squadron) was established by General Adolf Galland to serve as fighter cover for Me 262 airfields. The JV44 aerial defence unit was comprised of the long nosed Dora Focke-Wulf Fw 190. These were painted bright red on their underbelly with white stripes to help anti-aircraft batteries distinguish them from allied aircraft, leading to their humorous postwar nickname of the Papagei Staffel (Parrot squadron). The Staffel was nicknamed "Die Würger-Staffel", a play on the common nickname for the BMW 801 radial-engined original A-version of the Fw 190, which was Würger or Butcher-bird. The final victory of the JV44 is said to be scored by Oberleutnant Klaus Faber while flying the “Red 13”, He claimed a P-47 Thunderbolt while on a flight to pick up some whiskey. Faber’s victory totals are unknown. The kit comes with the front gun cowl to be modelled open as well as the wing cannon cowls, i want to show the lines of the plane so she will be all shut up during the build. Being an Eduard kit, of which i have only two previous, the mounting points for the fuselage and wings are a bit average, The don't seem to like the very positive mounting points that Tamiya, Hobby Boss, Hasegawa etc seem to favour for some reason. Lots of dry fitting to make sure everything is all squared up before glue goes anywhere near it, doubly so with this kit. From a bit of reading around it seems it was one of Eduards first ventures..and so far it really seems like it. Even though i was closing it up i still hurriedly built the gun and engine piping pieces to help support the front end with some bulheads/firewalls. It all fits but it's just a bit sloppy and meh compared to most of the kits i have done. The cockpit and forward assembly i glued to one side and let sit overnight before worrying about mating with the other fuselage side. As a bonus item, both sides of the fuselage were warped outwards in the box which seems to be a common trend, maybe i'm just lucky. The next day i joined the two pieces and then let it sit again overnight so i could start having a look at the wing assembly. A previous dry fit of the wing showed it was a bit rough, with the fuselage and all the main parts of the wing glued i could have a better look at it. Terrible. So thus began much shaving and chopping to make it all fit. The main wing beam had to have a decent amount shaved off the top, previously i had to add some filler sprue as the rear stay didn't mount where it was meant to. Everything has been overglued as i'm slightly paranoid this thing may not hold together Front shaved within a mm of its life for clearance up against the shell chutes. Two chunks cut out for clearance where they seat into the fuselage This is where they butt up, which has also been trimmed. And lastly, a piece of sprue in the rear fuselage to spread it a tiny bit so as to close the wing gap. End result, the wings now sit fairly nicely and there will be no gap once it is glued. The wing gun doors are going to need a decent amount of work to fit still. In this pic you can also see i have also hacked into a lot of the stuff under the front gun cowl so it will sit flush. So, moving onto to the front cowls. There is a bulge that needs to be removed for this particular plane off the fuselage and the cowl, easy chop and sand job. The very front cowl has a raised section that results in a gap, i don't know why Eduard have done that. After a few dry fits it seemed i could remove it from both sides and still make the rear section of the gun cowl fit fairly neatly. The cooling flaps would not in any way seat on the rear part of the engine without a massive gap so much hacking to get a groove of sorts to get it to sit flush up against the front engine cowl once it was all together. You won't see any of that mess so don't worry! Surprise surprise, when that unit is assembled there is another massive gap. So i will be chopping a section out of here to pull it all in flush. .At the moment both front mg cowls are glued and drying and looked decent before i hid them under some tape while they cure overnight. I'm glad i didn't get this as a first kit as i would have binned it and found another hobby
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#4521203 - 05/17/20 03:15 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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That's a lot of fiddly work, but you'll make it perfect!
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#4521229 - 05/17/20 07:28 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Man...what a messed up kit.
Looks like you have your work cut out for you.
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#4521426 - 05/19/20 12:45 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Got most of the fiddly stuff sorted today. The flash on the kit always happens to be in the most annoying areas Two options, closed or open, i'll run with open for interest It might be messy but it isn't ever coming apart Shaving the insides down Looking much better Glued to the fuselage and awaiting the wing I don't know what i would do without You Tube while i'm modelling. I've worked through most of the '70's, what there is of it available, the '80's, '90's and now into the 2000's with F1. Gaps are a bit tight in places but she'll do. Waiting for the milliput to dry and then some sanding and hopefully we are home free.
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#4521690 - 05/21/20 12:16 AM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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I have occasionally pondered why Galland chose the D-9 to guard the 262's while vulnerable.
Wasn't the D-9 designed as a high altitude aircraft? The precursor to the TA-152?
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#4521708 - 05/21/20 03:52 AM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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I have occasionally pondered why Galland chose the D-9 to guard the 262's while vulnerable.
Wasn't the D-9 designed as a high altitude aircraft? The precursor to the TA-152? The Ta152H had very long wings for high altitude. The Ta152C had wings just a bit longer than the Dora. Only a handful of these were produced.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4521765 - 05/21/20 02:58 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Painting, some good, some average. First off was dulled down silver followed by some chipping spray and then a clear coat. The fuselage colour painted over that after an hour or so. For some reason my phone camera has defaulted to small pics so this series of shots is a bit sub par. RLM82 first Then the RLM83. I must have referred to a different mix ratio for this as it is far darker than the 83 on the 262, i am going to have to respray it and tone it down a bit. And finally the 81, the brown around the tail. Most of the fuselage has had a light respray here to tidy it all up, still some to do around the wing roots. The stripes, i don't know why i did it like this as i kept telling myself... just spray it all white otherwise that black will show through to much. I masked them pretty much as the Eduard template by eye so they are just off enough as to not be perfect. Which it did, even after 3 coats (this pic is only one ,or a mist first coat to seal the tape and then one) so i sprayed a light coat of white over the red after this stage and then continued with a couple more of the red to get full colour. Final result, not bad but plenty of leak through and the Aizu tape i used (1.5mm wide) didn't give as nice a line as the Tamiya tape generally does. This shows how good the Tamiya tape line on the fuselage is compared to the other stuff. So i'll let her cure overnight and then give the underside a light hit with some 2000 grit or higher,mask the red and give the white a touch up. Then i'll lighten the RLM83. Oh yes, and sus out why my phone camera pics are so small.
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#4521792 - 05/21/20 06:10 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Coming nicely Ajay.
I doubt the real lines were perfect.
Didn't RLM83 have different shades, due to the war situation?
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4521941 - 05/22/20 03:59 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Looks awesome to me Ajay. Oh, and thanks for the education on the D-9's low altitude capabilities.
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#4521979 - 05/22/20 06:27 PM
Re: Part two of the 262 JV44 build, the 190 D9.
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Looks awesome to me Ajay. Oh, and thanks for the education on the D-9's low altitude capabilities. You can find more info on the Dora here, http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190d9test.html
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4522279 - 05/25/20 10:01 AM
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#4522715 - 05/28/20 06:16 AM
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