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#4457335 - 01/15/19 12:33 AM WHO ARE THESE GUYS?  
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I've looked at this crew for several years when they appear on the Main screen but have never seen any of them elsewhere. Anyone know who they are? Quite an eclectic group. The guy on the left looks like someone I wouldn't want to mess with in the air OR on the ground and the Jastafuhrer with the stocking cap looks like an absolute wild man. Matter of fact, most of em look like they could eat me alive.
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#4457380 - 01/15/19 01:18 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Jasta 4. L-R: Richard Kraut, Robert Hildebrandt, Flieger Fohde, Joachim von Winterfeld, Egon Koepsch, Heinrich Maushake (on the wing), Heinz Graf von Gluszewski, and Julius Bender.

EDIT: Forgot to mention the source for this is Fokker Aces of World War I, Part 1, Franks and VanWyngarden.

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#4457388 - 01/15/19 02:34 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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I knew you would be in to answer this one Jim, I just KNEW it. You are a veritable wellspring of such knowledge Sir, unlike me, who is a dubitable septic tank of useless information.

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#4457391 - 01/15/19 03:03 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Beat me to it JFM.
For once a question I could have answered but too slow.
As an aside i absolutely love these types of photos.
So much history displayed both with the people and equipment.
Love it.

#4457394 - 01/15/19 03:08 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Don't give me any credit, Lou! I just opened the book and copied the names. I can only visually recognize two of them.

#4457413 - 01/15/19 05:11 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Aaah yes, but Jim, you actually remembered where to look for that photo. My memory is very good, but very short.

Duke, don't you hate it when you know the answer but you can't raise your hand quick enough. Or worse, the teacher just won't call on you. And I agree about these old photos, there is so much to learn studying them.

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#4457416 - 01/15/19 05:17 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Forgot to mention, that scar on Egon Koepsch's cheek, does anyone know how he received it? I ask because during this time in Prussia and Bavaria and Austria, (and other kingdoms in the region), dueling scars were quite in style, so much so in fact that a lot of them were actually self-inflicted. I kid you not, young gents would take a razor and slash their own cheeks just to have that fashionable "badge of courage".

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#4457439 - 01/15/19 07:38 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Lou, not that I can answer your question but when I noticed it was wondering if it was a scar or an imprint from the goggles.


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#4457461 - 01/15/19 10:21 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Koepsch was wounded on February 28 1918 but I have no details at first glance. I’ll keep poking.
I’ve seen pics of dueling scars and that one would be the biggest I have ever seen - if it’s a scar and it does look like one.

#4457469 - 01/15/19 10:49 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Thanks JFM: Soon as my present character dies, (won't be long, I'm sure), I'm gonna fly with these guys and apparently Ernst Udet.

Oh...and apparently it is a scar. [Linked Image]

















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#4519131 - 05/02/20 01:50 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Another round of, Who are These Guys?

I know that the pretty fellow on the left is Alfred Niederhoff and this should be Jasta 20. Anybody know the other two? The right hand guy looks pretty tough. Looks like he's already had a good scorching. You wouldn't get me up in one of those things again after that.

Also, these Albatros DIIIs appear to be white with some different color spinners. Everything I've ever seen on Jasta 20 is about brown Rumpf. Anybody know about that? Think it could just be the strange things the old film did?

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#4519399 - 05/04/20 01:11 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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The fellow on the far right is Eduard Wolfgang Zorer. He must be visiting since he did his work in two-seaters.

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#4519406 - 05/04/20 01:51 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks RAF L

He was the one I was most curious about. I'll look Zorer up.

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#4519410 - 05/04/20 02:10 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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From the left; Ltn.d.R. Alfred Niederhoff, Jafu Oblt. Fritz Heising and Ltn.d.R. Eberhard Voss. Somewhere in my archives is an article on Ja 20, with photos of lineups and pilots, I'll try and dig it out. I don't remember if it is in OtF or C&C. However, the Jasta aircraft initial scheme was overall white.
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#4519419 - 05/04/20 02:47 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Ok, now which one of you is correct? Lou or Shredder?

This is a "what's my line" or "I've got a secret" episode....da da da da da da...times up!


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#4519420 - 05/04/20 02:49 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Not finding any pictures of either one so far in anything I've got.

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#4519443 - 05/04/20 04:29 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Hauptmann Eduard Wolfgang Zorer - more data available here

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#4519457 - 05/04/20 04:53 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Another guy with a scar on his face. Didn't German fathers teach their sons how to shave properly*? wink

*just kidding. I know about dueling scars. They were the late-19th/early-20th Century German versions of tattoos and body piercings.


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#4519474 - 05/04/20 05:30 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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Ah...give Lou the cigar!


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#4519478 - 05/04/20 05:44 PM Re: WHO ARE THESE GUYS? [Re: jerbear]  
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