#4540946 - 10/15/2011:49 AMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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Here is an interesting tidbit about the Third Reich which I doubt you will ever see Hollywood make a movie or mini-series about,
It is estimated that about 30,000 blacks lived in Germany from 1933-1945 and while they were ostracized and didn't have the same rights as white Germans, they were not shipped off to the concentration camps like other groups that were considered "enemies of the state".
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#4541537 - 10/20/2003:11 AMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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In Operation Market Garden the armoured division set out from the town next to where I live, Leopoldsburg, there is a monument to the operation there. The terrain featured in the film A Bridge Too Far is reasonably correct, it is flat-ish heather and peat with plantations of fir trees for the coal mines in the area, most of the older roads here have trees along them, Oak mainly, they were planted to cover the movement of troops and equipment in the area. Historically (1800s) our township donated a large chunk of it's area to the military for garrisons and training areas, part of that area became the town of Leopolsburg. We have artillery and tank training ranges along with small arms ranges and a couple of ranges for aircraft to fire ordnance on. We drive through the local army base a lot as we have to go through it to get to Leopoldsburg
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#4541557 - 10/20/2011:03 AMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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One thing I don't understand about Market Garden is why didn't XXX Corps keep advancing after the British 1st Airborne division in Arnhem was wiped out?
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#4541611 - 10/20/2005:51 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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According to multiple witnesses, the Waffen SS general Sepp Dietrich was a frequent customer of the high-end brothel and on one occasion he had an orgy with about 15-20 of the prostitutes there.
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#4542327 - 10/26/2011:24 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Some were not loyal happy go lucky Nazis
Stuff like this happens when you are desperate for manpower to fight a war in which the tide has turned against you and where you are fighting the majority of the world. The Waffen SS greatly relaxed its standards for recruitment starting in 1943 and the overall quality and loyalty of the late war divisions was nowhere near the same as those divisions that were created earlier in the war or had mostly German personnel.
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#4542371 - 10/27/2001:49 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
Among those, the 5th SS "Wiking" armored division had by far the most impressive combat record. In fact, many historians agree that it had a more impressive combat record than some of the German-only Waffen SS divisions.
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#4542403 - 10/27/2006:37 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
According to that Mark Felton video, the members of that SS unit were Muslims.
Pure Aryan race!
As we've seen so often from human history, adherence to political orthodoxy often takes a backseat to the pressing pragmatic needs of the moment.
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#4542809 - 10/31/2012:58 AMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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BTW, I started this thread about a historical report indicating how disadvantaged the allied tankers were against competent Germans in Panthers. I certainly was not advocating or cheer leading the panzertruppen.
Just lamenting how out gunned our guys were. I am still flabbergasted as to why it took the US so long to adopt a bigger gun, ala the Firefly...seriously.
So let's make a Tank Destroyer with light armor and no overhead arnor from artillery...seriously???
Same guns would have fit on a up armored, up powered Sherman.
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#4542831 - 10/31/2011:04 AMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4542846 - 10/31/2002:37 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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Agreed on the doctrine, luckily common sense broke out and the M4A's with the 76mm started appearing right after D-Day.
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#4542856 - 10/31/2004:00 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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The tank destroyer doctrine might have been more successful if there had been more opportunity to use them defensively, as whatever their shortcomings, they still had some advantages over the towed AT guns that everyone else was using.
Also, the M26 Pershing was originally intended to be produced on a 1:5 basis to the Sherman, but of course numerous delays meant that hardly more of them were produced before the war ended than the Tigers, and only a handful actually saw action.
#4543131 - 11/02/2007:03 PMRe: Two Panthers take on 21 Shermans
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