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#4509627 - 03/05/20 06:55 PM Re: Why SpaceX Built A Stainless Steel Starship [Re: F4UDash4]  
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#4509629 - 03/05/20 07:23 PM Re: Why SpaceX Built A Stainless Steel Starship [Re: CyBerkut]  
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Originally Posted by CyBerkut



Good article and in addition to the daunting technical challenges of a manned Mars mission and settlement, I will be most curious to see the legal and social ramifications of establishing settlements on Mars.


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Many have questioned how Musk will pay for this. Well I've seen estimates that he will make billions from his satellite internet service, some have said he is likely to surpass Jeff Bezos as the richest man in the world in a matter of months!


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Originally Posted by CyBerkut


Great article, thanks!


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Yes, it appears that the satellite internet service will be the key to sustained future funding for SpaceX's pursuit of Mars.

It occurs to me that pretty much everything that Elon Musk has his hand in these days has potential impact on getting to and colonizing Mars. While SpaceX is obvious, Tesla's electric vehicle, battery and solar technology advances will also obviously play into it. The Artificial Intelligence applicability is pretty much a no-brainer (pun intended). The neural net research could help also. Even the Boring Company technology is likely to be useful, as getting below Mars surface is the easiest way to have enough shielding from radiation hazards.

I avoid idolizing people, but I will say that I have an immense amount of respect for Musk. After decades of humanity languishing in low earth orbit (to borrow a phrase from Buzz Aldrin), I am really hoping that Musk can pull this grand scheme off.

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Apparently another way Musk is set to potentially make even more money that he can then pour into whatever other endeavor he chooses to is in auto insurance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn58tQJjC5w


I had never considered this aspect of the value of the data Tesla vehicles collect.


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Ten days after SN1 failed its pressure test SN2 passes, this is how progress is made.


SpaceX's latest Starship prototype passes big tank pressure test


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I will be most curious to see the legal and social ramifications of establishing settlements on Mars.


Indeed it will be interesting . I would expect that unless somebody else can get there at the same time it will be similar to 15th century exploration.... i.e. "finders keepers"

No doubt the US, Russia, China etc will all make a lot of noise but in reality if Musk can keep control of his funds he will effectively be "king of Mars". Not much different than how kings originated

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Originally Posted by No105_Archie

I would expect that unless somebody else can get there at the same time it will be similar to 15th century exploration.... i.e. "finders keepers"




I like this analogy and of course one critical difference with Mars is that there is no indigenous life there so no need to worry about those pesky things like displacing native populations or killing off native populations by exposing them to diseases they had never been exposed to before. wink


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Excellent news!

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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
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I will be most curious to see the legal and social ramifications of establishing settlements on Mars.


Indeed it will be interesting . I would expect that unless somebody else can get there at the same time it will be similar to 15th century exploration.... i.e. "finders keepers"

No doubt the US, Russia, China etc will all make a lot of noise but in reality if Musk can keep control of his funds he will effectively be "king of Mars". Not much different than how kings originated


Well, if he wants to be king of Mars, he probably ought to pursue establishing some SpaceX launch sites outside of the U.S. Otherwise, U.S. regulatory agencies could put a short leash upon him/SpaceX.

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As I said " IF Musk can keep control of his funds " He's a smart guy. You never know what he has up his sleeve


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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
As I said " IF Musk can keep control of his funds " He's a smart guy. You never know what he has up his sleeve



He has created opportunities for multiple revenue streams, especially the satellite ISP business that is just now getting started. It is projected to make him billions.


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Originally Posted by No105_Archie
As I said " IF Musk can keep control of his funds " He's a smart guy. You never know what he has up his sleeve


I don't think he will have much trouble controlling his funds. The FCC and/or FAA/NASA could adversely impact his operations if they were so inclined, which could reduce/prevent some income, however.

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https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1255907211533901825


"SpaceX has been selected to develop a lunar optimized Starship to transport crew between lunar orbit and the surface of the Moon as part of @NASA’s Artemis program! https://go.nasa.gov/3f0o3ux "


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The bell end of that engine measures 1.3 meters across.


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