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#4517141 - 04/19/20 01:36 AM FZAA to FZAA: Circuit training  
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Spoiler: It's a pretty bad landing :sigh

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#4518055 - 04/25/20 02:01 PM Re: FZAA to FZAA: Circuit training [Re: irfanahmed1979]  
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Hi,

Good idea to post your practice session on YouTube!
If I may suggest a few things for you to try to improve:

- Practice initially at an airfield with an ILS or at least some kind of vertical guidance aid like PAPI or VASI to be and stay on a 3deg path.
Your approach path was rather shallow here and that makes life more difficult later when you correct in late stages of the approach.

- Work to be fully stable by a 1000ft AGL at first. (configuration, alignment, speed, thrust) From there, it's easier to spot deviations and only minor corrections are needed.

- At 50ft AGL over the runway threshold, mentally prepare for the flare but resist the urge to actually flare. Continue flying towards the runway with the same rate of descent like the last 1000ft. The RA callouts (50-40-30-...) should be one call per second approx.

- Flare just before the 20ft callout by raising the nose 2 to 3 degrees. Your flare is too agressive in the video resulting a in a climb. Avoid floating, this is not a single engine piston. Fly the jet to the ground with a reduced rate of descent.

- As soon as you flared (attitude up by 2-3 deg), slowly reduce the thrust to idle while maintaining the same nose attitude. (You will have to increase back pressure on the stick to compensate for the reducing thrust that helped keeping the nose up) Don't look at the PFD, just look outside to keep the horizon at the same spot in the windscreen.

- Disregard the feedback from the popular 'landing rate tool'.
550fpm will indeed feel like a very hard landing but it only shows an 1.01G acceleration at touchdown which is butter smooth transition from flight to ground roll?!
And it tells very good flare while you (over)flared multiple times starting initially at 50ft AGL. Not very valuable feedback IMO.

- Keep practicing ;-)

Cheers,
Sylvain


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#4518086 - 04/25/20 04:26 PM Re: FZAA to FZAA: Circuit training [Re: irfanahmed1979]  
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Thanks a lot! Yes I do look at the PFD during the flare just to make sure how much to pitch up and yes I was too shallow on the glide path frown Need someway of active pause in X-plane 11.

Last edited by irfanahmed1979; 04/25/20 04:28 PM. Reason: typo
#4518097 - 04/25/20 05:30 PM Re: FZAA to FZAA: Circuit training [Re: irfanahmed1979]  
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You’re welcome!

To make a good flare you need to get a visual impression of the rate of descent. This is not possible when continuously looking at the PFD during the last 50ft.
From 50ft AGL look outside, get a feel for how fast the runway is coming at you (more difficult in a sim on 2D monitor; the rate at which the GPWS sounds also helps here)
At 20ft raise the nose to SLOW DOWN the rate of descent. You don’t want to completely stop the descent as you will start floating in that case... (again - different than what you do in a Cessna)

Using the X-plane replay you can check afterwards on the PFD by how many degrees you actually changed the attitude.

Good luck!


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