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#4517668 - 04/22/20 09:40 PM nicotine protects against Covid-19?  
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Apparently some French researchers noticed that the number of smokers among covid patients is very low; they are suggesting a potentially protective effect of nicotine, which is competing with the virus for the same cellular receptors. Clinical study is under way.

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“Our cross-sectional study strongly suggests that those who smoke every day are much less likely to develop a symptomatic or severe infection with Sars-CoV-2 compared with the general population,” the Pitié-Salpêtrière report authors wrote.

“The effect is significant. It divides the risk by five for ambulatory patients and by four for those admitted to hospital. We rarely see this in medicine,” it added.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

here are the published articles:

https://www.qeios.com/read/article/574

https://www.qeios.com/read/article/571

If this turns out to be true, I just can't wait to see the reaction of the antismoking crusaders. Priceless... biggrin

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#4517670 - 04/22/20 09:44 PM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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Nitrous Oxide is another. Trials ongoing at the Wexner Medical Center.


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#4517671 - 04/22/20 09:48 PM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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nibbio, good to "see" you.

Are you and your family ok?


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So survive against the virus now but have a higher chance of dying from lung or throat cancer several years down the road. Pick your poison.


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#4517687 - 04/22/20 11:29 PM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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Or...get the ChiCom Flu today, survive and get it again this winter after the antibodies go away.


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#4517698 - 04/23/20 12:46 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Or...get the ChiCom Flu today, survive and get it again this winter after the antibodies go away.

Wow! I didn't know they'd determined the antibodies wouldn't be permanent.


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#4517699 - 04/23/20 12:53 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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Me either, for sure.

How are people getting it a second time already? reading

How many mutations are out there already?

Is the government telling us everything, like they always do? rofl

These are just a few of my favorite things... band old_simmer


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#4517704 - 04/23/20 01:20 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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I ran across this article a few minutes ago. It's very interesting. Written in 2017:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/


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#4517711 - 04/23/20 02:52 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: vocatx]  
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Originally Posted by vocatx
I ran across this article a few minutes ago. It's very interesting. Written in 2017:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/


Sobering read. The parallel with what is happening today is frightening.
Complacency could very well bite back.
Oh well... We hardly ever learn, do we?

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#4517712 - 04/23/20 03:13 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: Sluggish Controls]  
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Originally Posted by Sluggish Controls
Originally Posted by vocatx
I ran across this article a few minutes ago. It's very interesting. Written in 2017:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/


Sobering read. The parallel with what is happening today is frightening.
Complacency could very well bite back.
Oh well... We hardly ever learn, do we?

Cheers,
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We have only begun this fight, have a feeling it it won`t end and easy as anyone predicts. If next winter carries this over we will have serious issues if it does not have vaccination in time.


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#4517725 - 04/23/20 08:59 AM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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The mutations have mostly been neutral. And it mutates slowly, as far as viruses go.

This isn't the 1918 flu either. We already have drugs which appear to be working against covid. We also have antibodies natural, and synthetic, which appear to be working as well. Covid isn't killing our children either.

To make the comparison is fear mongering. We are eons ahead of where we were in 1918.


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#4517775 - 04/23/20 04:44 PM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: TerribleTwo]  
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Originally Posted by TerribleTwo
This isn't the 1918 flu either. We already have drugs which appear to be working against covid. We also have antibodies natural, and synthetic, which appear to be working as well.

Two more things we have that they didn't in 1918: 100 years more medical knowledge, and an extremely effective way for medical professionals to communicate far more information far faster AND to get the word out to the public on how to "slow the spread". Realistically, any disease would have to be several times worse than the 1918 flu to have half the impact it did.


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#4517780 - 04/23/20 05:11 PM Re: nicotine protects against Covid-19? [Re: nibbio]  
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I posted that simply to show this isn't the first epidemic of this kind, nor is this the worst. Without proper precautions it COULD get worse, but, like Terrible Two and vonBaur said, we have a lot of advantages now that they didn't have then. It remains to be seen what we actually DO with those advantages. Hopefully we'll get through this without a second wave, but people tend to get complacent. We can't go on living like we are now, so some type of balance has to be struck.


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Originally Posted by vonBaur
Originally Posted by TerribleTwo
This isn't the 1918 flu either. We already have drugs which appear to be working against covid. We also have antibodies natural, and synthetic, which appear to be working as well.

Two more things we have that they didn't in 1918: 100 years more medical knowledge, and an extremely effective way for medical professionals to communicate far more information far faster AND to get the word out to the public on how to "slow the spread". Realistically, any disease would have to be several times worse than the 1918 flu to have half the impact it did.



All true.

On the other hand one thing against us in 2020 as opposed to 1918 is the ease of travel and therefore the ease of global spread of such diseases.


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Originally Posted by TerribleTwo

Covid isn't killing our children either.



it actually is trying, newborns have been found contaminated suffering from heart desease due to the virus, and teens in good health have died from it.

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Originally Posted by vonBaur
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Or...get the ChiCom Flu today, survive and get it again this winter after the antibodies go away.

Wow! I didn't know they'd determined the antibodies wouldn't be permanent.


They have not.

Tests with animals suggest you could not be reinfected near term.

People "catching it again" could be a number of things: multiple false negative tests (some tests have false negative rates of up to 30%, possibly especially in early and/or late stages and/or milder cases, and people have been observed to show positive with the virus tests for 40+ days, well after they were symptomatic); virus being "reactivated" after laying dormant (as some in South Korea have suggested); or people not having an immune system strong enough to "remember" the antibodies very long (evidently, this is possible with influenza as well, at least with mild cases and/or the vaccine).

But, (speaking as a lay observer here) there does appear to be a rough correlation between the severity of a virus and the amount of immunity conferred. MERS and SARS (both coronaviruses) immunity lasts for years for those that survive. On the other hand, influenza immunity generally lasts last than a year - in the 6 month range for the actual disease, and closer to three-four months for the vaccine, if I recall. So it is definitely plausible that immunity from those catching the virus early on could start to wear off by the end of the year.[


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Originally Posted by vocatx
I ran across this article a few minutes ago. It's very interesting. Written in 2017:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/


Sobering read. The parallel with what is happening today is frightening.
Complacency could very well bite back.
Oh well... We hardly ever learn, do we?

Cheers,
Slug


I agree the possible parallel to the Chinese virus of early widespread infections but few deaths but becoming much more dangerous a few months later (possibly a mild and a virulent strain, as some have already suggest for the Chinese virus), is worrying. . . but I am also not sure what lesson we are supposed to learn. The Spanish Flu re-emerged (and evidently became more deadly) after initially virtually disappearing. Admittedly, tracking and diagnosis in 1918 were much cruder than they are today, but it is not obvious from the article that much different (beyond the lying about the data part) could have been done then or can be done today.


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Originally Posted by TerribleTwo

Covid isn't killing our children either.



it actually is trying, newborns have been found contaminated suffering from heart desease due to the virus, and teens in good health have died from it.


I am curious whether the heart issues are caused by the Chinese virus, or exposed by them.

Either way, the number of infants and teens affected in this way is minuscule as far as anyone can tell.

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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
On the other hand one thing against us in 2020 as opposed to 1918 is the ease of travel and therefore the ease of global spread of such diseases.

Another, equally valid, point.


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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by TerribleTwo

Covid isn't killing our children either.



it actually is trying, newborns have been found contaminated suffering from heart desease due to the virus, and teens in good health have died from it.


Only 3 kids under the age of 18 have died from it, in the US as of April 6.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/cdc...-as-some-children-get-severely-sick.html

And all three had an underlying condition. All three in NYC.

The first year, babies don't have a robust immune system. After that, they are literal super humans.


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