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#4513875 - 04/01/20 12:38 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Normally when sharing a YouTube video I might say ignore the comments, but in this case the comments are the point of sharing the video. I am a bit amazed and pleasingly so that practically every single comment I've read on this video agrees with my sentiment concerning the cursing in Picard / Discovery.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqn0WhG53uA

Just in case the comments change (and they of course will) here's some I am referring to:

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That potty mouth Admiral makes me cringe every time.

"That language is unbecoming of a man of science" Well said Dr. Soong, well said.

Once played as a joke, now a reality... Boy what times we live in...

21 seasons of almost non-existent and extremely mild profanity from TNG-era trek, and one episode of KurtzTrek has more than all of them combined.

This is a wider problem with TV, and Picard seems to be doubling down on it. Used to be you would lace a swear word in a work on occasion to give a line some punch. Now it has no real meaning, and is basically another symptom of lazy writing.

Hearing Picard say “ass deep” is criiiinge as hell. You’d think Patrick Stewart would tell the producers it sounds weird coming from the elderly cultured Captain?

At least Kirk had a genuinely good reason to say Klingon #%&*$#. The swearing in Kurtz Trek seems forced.

i feel like what Kirk says applies to the writers of STD, they need to curse to make their dialog seem meaningful or no one would pay attention...



You want good writing? In The Search for Spock, Scotty uses a euphemism; it's not foul language, but it's a sly reference to a crude expression:

TURBOLIFT VOICE: Thank you.
SCOTT: Up your shaft.

That brought a storm of laughter from the theatre audience when I saw it. biggrin



And here I was, shocked, at O'brien saying "bollocks" in an episode of DS9

Hearing Picard say “ass deep” is wrong on every level. I can only assume that this is not Picard but Shinzon’s long lost sibling, a fellow Picard clone not the original.


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#4513959 - 04/01/20 05:28 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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It was a good show, not a great one, but worth watching. A lot didn't make sense, I was never endeared to the characters and I got REALLY tired of hearing "JL". The effects are top notch. Certainly not Patrick's best work.
It's funny how old he portrays Picard but then you see him in an interview and the man is very youthful and energetic. LOL
I liked the overall story of a flawed, more believable Star Fleet. I always like stories like that. It was enjoyable seeing the old characters included. The nostalgia was a nice touch rather than something the show relied upon.
I also liked seeing the universe fleshed out some outside of the usual. In most shows/movies you were either Star Fleet (or equivalent), a scientist of some kind, a farmer or religious something or other. There was a little more "every day" in this one.
I know DS9 had people coming and going, but it was still mostly militant or really annoying.
Certainly not nearly as good as Discovery, especially season 2 of it, but I think the 2nd season may prove to be better for Picard as well. They've gotten some loose ends tied up, satisfied fan curiosity about most old characters and can now move on.
There's still some other characters that they can include in the next season, as I'm sure is the plan. I doubt they actually snubbed those actors but are spreading them out some.

It has its flaws for sure. Such as why can they figure out how to put a human mind into a synthetic body but they couldn't figure out putting Data in one?


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#4517174 - 04/19/20 10:51 AM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Yes, the swearing was totally out of place in a ST series.
Also, there was far too much 2020 vernacular. I was almost expecting Rios to have rap music playing when manouverring the ship in the battle scenes.

Ah, and character development. In these short series (and ST:D was the same), this entails giving each character a single traumatic experience that explains their entire subsequent behaviour.

Lots of glaring plot holes, eg:
Where the heck did the down and out Romulans get that fleet from?


All in all, ST:P was utter rubbish IMHO.

Now you kids get off my lawn. smile

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Originally Posted by mikew
Also, there was far too much 2020 vernacular.


It is much more entertaining, and believable, to hear Geordi puzzle over the term "take a leak" than to hear 24th century youngsters use terms like "cool" and "dude".

Originally Posted by mikew
Ah, and character development. In these short series (and ST:D was the same), this entails giving each character a single traumatic experience that explains their entire subsequent behaviour.


Very shallow thinking and writing there. Speaking of STD, I watched season 2 recently and the entire cast could die off and I would never miss any of them EXCEPT for Pike. He made season 2 bearable, but just.

Originally Posted by mikew
Lots of glaring plot holes, eg:
Where the heck did the down and out Romulans get that fleet from?


I had forgot about how destitute they had supposedly become, you're right. Big mistake.

Originally Posted by mikew
All in all, ST:P was utter rubbish IMHO.


Pretty much, yes.


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Each their own, I found ST:Picard very enjoyable. On par with season 2 of Discovery.

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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Each their own, I found ST:Picard very enjoyable. On par with season 2 of Discovery.



Yes STP is on par with STD. They both are very disappointing. IMO.


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we've long since agreed to disagree on this smile

#4517243 - 04/19/20 10:04 PM Re: Make it so: a ST Picard series! [Re: Raw Kryptonite]  
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Whether someone loves or hates Picard I can’t say I’m surprised to see such a highly divided fanbase when you consider just how different Picard is from previous ST series.

I’ve seen the same phenomenon happen with the Disney Star Wars movies and also the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Whether someone loves or hates Picard I can’t say I’m surprised to see such a highly divided fanbase when you consider just how different Picard is from previous ST series.

I’ve seen the same phenomenon happen with the Disney Star Wars movies and also the reimagined Battlestar Galactica.



True.

Trek always had a certain "vibe" if you will. These new series don't have that same "vibe", as has been detailed in posts here by me and others. For some that's okay and for some others, like me, it lessens the franchise.


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And for other it broadens and enriches the franchise.

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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
And for other it broadens and enriches the franchise.



Yes, this is also true!


The bottom line is whenever a science fiction franchise goes through some major changes you are bound to get both haters and lovers from the fanbase. smile


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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
And for other it broadens and enriches the franchise.


That's just a different way of saying "appealing to a wider audience" and it's a financial decision, not a "maintain the integrity of the genre" decision.

You can do that with anything if you change it enough, but then it is no longer what made it special.

For example if you wanted more people into opera, you might try adding in some pop/rock music. But then would it still be opera?

The latest offerings under the Star Trek banner have diluted the original look and feel of franchise with Star Wars action, soap opera interpersonal relationships, Game of Thrones violence and Wolf of Wall Street language.

Yes it appeals to a wider audience and that is the shame of it.

I'm just glad that there are hundreds of rewatchable hours worth of episodes and movies of Trek that pre-date the "broadening and enrichment" of the franchise that began with JJ Abrams involvement.


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Yes, it seemed a mash up of various popular shows, but I thought the Game of Thrones influence was the sexual frission between those brother and sister Romulan spies.
Whatever happened to Narek? I don't remember him getting iced, so was half expecting him to turn up on the bridge of the La Sirena for the final scene love-in having been forgiven by Soji. I can't be bothered to watch it again to find out.

I'm not really complaining about Seven of Nine being turned into a MILF version of Xena:Warrior Princess, only the way it was done. Butchering Icheb like that was really showing contempt for legacy ST.

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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by mikew
Also, there was far too much 2020 vernacular.


It is much more entertaining, and believable, to hear Geordi puzzle over the term "take a leak" than to hear 24th century youngsters use terms like "cool" and "dude".

Originally Posted by mikew

[quote=mikew]Lots of glaring plot holes, eg:
Where the heck did the down and out Romulans get that fleet from?


I had forgot about how destitute they had supposedly become, you're right. Big mistake.


Not really, they're Romulans and watching the Federation
abandon them to die would mean that :

1.) They still distrust the Federation's co-habitation methods and saved their fleet rather than their citizens
2.) They are still destitute after ten years since they're spending too much effort in maintaining that fleet
3.) The Dominion War destroyed much more Federation ships than the 218 Romulan ships we see yet came out on top
4.) Due to the rapid retreat rather than fight, that may been all that's left operational

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