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#4509821 - 03/07/20 01:58 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
But in Patton and Battle of Britain, they had real planes and real tanks which I prefer to ugly CGI.



To each his own, but a CGI Bf-109E looks more like a real Bf-109E than a Buchon does and a CGI PzKpfw IV looks more like a real PzKpfw IV than an M-48 does.


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#4509824 - 03/07/20 02:19 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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That is true too. Just lately in many of these movies made for 200 millions or more, the CGI looks bad and unpolished and rushed.


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#4509825 - 03/07/20 02:31 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
But in Patton and Battle of Britain, they had real planes and real tanks which I prefer to ugly CGI.



To each his own, but a CGI Bf-109E looks more like a real Bf-109E than a Buchon does and a CGI PzKpfw IV looks more like a real PzKpfw IV than an M-48 does.


Sort of agree on the M-48, not at all on the Ha-1112 and CASA 2.111. The air battle scenes in Battle of Britain are much more effective and realistic looking, in my opinion, than any of the CGI nonsense in, for example, the Battle of Britain scenes in Pearl Harbor.

Also, as many have said, the destroyer skipper in the Good Shepherd is supposed to be a passed over officer promoted due to wartime necessity, so presumably a bit older than most. Hanks looking a bit older not that big of a deal for this particular role.

#4509827 - 03/07/20 02:44 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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The Merlin engined 111's looked passable, but the Merlin engined 109's look horrible, give me a well made CGI model any day.


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#4509838 - 03/07/20 05:09 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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The main take away is that as long as they keep making these movies, the events won’t be forgotten so easily. WWII wasn’t that long ago, historically. Keep it relevant.


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#4509844 - 03/07/20 05:59 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Here, here Raw Kryptonite. cheers As long as they don't try to rewrite or utterly misrepresent history I'm thankful for the war movies that hopefully will keep folks mindful of yesteryear and important people and history.


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#4509851 - 03/07/20 07:08 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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more german bashing from hollyweird... whatever.. pfft


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#4509858 - 03/07/20 09:24 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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As to the age of the Commander. A common practice in the Royal Navy in WW2, recalling to service Officers both retired and reservists, experienced men who had probably served in WW1. Disdainfully dubbed 'Dugouts' being dug out of retirement. There are a good number of British books and films featuring such characters attempting to overcome the doubts of their crew as to their ability, and attempting to gain their respect.
My wife's maternal Grandfather was such a one, though just a Petty Officer, who had seen action in WW1 and was taken off his disabled ship after seeing action off Norway in 1940.

As to the 'Battle of Britain'. a remarkable achievement of aerial choreography and cinematography considering the technology available time. In one of the scenes featuring Hurricanes, to make up the numbers, Buchons can be viewed at the rear of the formation, repainted in RAF format. Some amazing and skilful flying can be seen, particularly the airfield strafing scene, in which the 109s have to climb to get over a four-foot fence!



#4509859 - 03/07/20 09:35 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I'm a little biased here, since my Great Uncle served on the USS Borie, but I wish they would make a movie about that instead of one "based on historical events". Why not make a movie on the plethora of actual historical events that exist out there? For those that don't know, the USS Borie was involved in an epic battle in the North Atlantic. It was involved in a one-on-one dual with a German U-Boat. At some point the Borie attempted to ram the U-boat and they became entangled. The Borie was unable to train its heavy weapons on the U-boat and they engaged in small arms combat. The "Flushdeck" destroyer didn't have a large inventory of small arms, mostly shotguns (for riot control purposes) and some Tommy guns. The Germans tried to get to their MG42s and had small arms of their own to use. At some point, a throwing knife was used and even an empty shell casing was thrown and struck a German sailor in the head. After finally separating, the Borie continued to battle and finally sunk the German U-boat. Badly damaged, the Borie attempted to rescue German survivors but was attacked by other German U-boats in the area. They were forced to abandon the rescue efforts. The damage to the Borie was too great and they had to abandon ship in 20 foot seas. Other US ships arrived to "help" but inadvertently ran into some of the life boats and survivors in the waters. In the end, 27 crewman from the Borie were lost, my Great-uncle was one of the missing. He was last seen by a friend getting into one of the lifeboats, but was never seen again. I always thought that would've made an awesome movie. The story is mostly unknown, lost among many other epic battles that occurred during WWII. There is a book, called A Sailor's Journey Into War, that is written by one of the survivors. My Great-Uncle, Frank Duke, is mentioned in the booked. Here is a link for a more detailed version of the story: http://destroyerhistory.org/flushdeck/ussborie/

#4509861 - 03/07/20 09:48 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: Lucky_1]  
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Fascinating account Lucky! Indeed would make a great film. Unless it had Nick Cage in it. As someone wryly said of him in 'Indianapolis'; "no fear of him drowning, made of wood if his acting is anything to go by!"



#4509864 - 03/07/20 10:47 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: W-Molders]  
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Originally Posted by W-Molders
more german bashing from hollyweird... whatever.. pfft



Pssstt.... the Germans WERE the bad guys in WWII, just a little FYI.


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#4509865 - 03/07/20 11:10 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I'm terribly sceptical of Hollywood war movies but this doesn't look all that bad from the trailer. Not sure about the 'drive-by' shooting with the sub though. Ah,it's Hollywood,what you gonna do?


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#4509879 - 03/07/20 02:42 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: W-Molders]  
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Originally Posted by W-Molders
more german bashing from hollyweird... whatever.. pfft



Can you give any specific examples? The trailer portrayed the U-boats as deadly adversaries since you know, the US and Germany were at war at the time. How is the film supposed to portray that in your view?


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#4509888 - 03/07/20 03:28 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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"more german bashing from hollyweird... whatever.. pfft"
Yes, because German submarines never really attacked Allied convoys. It's all just propaganda. pffffttt..
Oh give me a friggin break!


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#4509904 - 03/07/20 04:32 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Just watched the trailer again and man it is so over the top.

1. The “drive by shooting” U boat
2. The massive group of sonar blips (Germany WISHED it could muster that many U boats for one convoy).
3. A U boat captain directly contacting a USN destroyer by radio?
4. A U boat with apparently Hells Angels style art on the conning tower.


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#4509918 - 03/07/20 06:11 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Yeah, a U-Boat surfacing and going guns to guns with a destroyer is a bit much, I think.


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#4509920 - 03/07/20 06:25 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted by Pooch
Yeah, a U-Boat surfacing and going guns to guns with a destroyer is a bit much, I think.


That did stand out to me too, but we may just have to wait and let the story be told.


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#4509927 - 03/07/20 07:11 PM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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This goes on my Red Box $1 rental list.


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#4509975 - 03/08/20 01:03 AM Re: Greyhound: another WW2 film with beautiful CGI and... Tom Hanks!! It's not a WW2 film if it doesn't stars Tom Hanks!! [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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The planes in Memphis Belle were real too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_Belle_(film)#Production

Remember how awful and fake the CGI planes were in Red Tails?


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Real or large scale models is usually better than CGI. I'm glad Nolan went that route with Dunkirk. We'll see what happens with "The Mighty Eighth"... The recent "Catch 22" did a good job with a mix of real aicraft and realistic CGI. This Greyhound trailer just looks over the top BAD with the CGI, it honestly reminded me more of a cutscene from a video game than a movie to be taken seriously. As far as 109s, Buchon's are literally license built 109s I don't see how fake CGI ones are "better". They did a pretty good job in literally every WWII aerial combat movie since...forever. The only "real" 109 in a movie were a couple scenes in Valkyrie that I can think of:



You can see the real BF-109 they used in the film at the 3:50 mark in the background behind the Buchon

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