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AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X Review Roundup
Today AMD officially launches its first 64-core desktop CPU.
64 cores/128 threads for "only" $4000 -- actually much cheaper than Intel's closest CPU.
As one article notes: "it does obliterate the [Intel] competition". However, the shear number of cores/threads are not ideal for all uses. We know that
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What the [$4000 64c/128t] 3990X Brings to the Table
As of February 6th, 2020, [3990X Engineering Sample] gave the highest single-socket Cinebench R20 score in the world [31304]
The first and most important thing to understand about the 3990X is that this is not a CPU for everyone. The vast majority of applications are not designed to scale this high. Windows itself is not designed to scale this high. Microsoft’s support for more than 64 threads in Windows is a bit of a kludge.
by default, [Windows] applications can only use 50 percent of the 3990X’s 128 threads [some applications have work-arounds to use all 128]
3990X is for professionals. For now, most desktop users/gamers should not go higher than AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core/32Thread ($750).
EDIT: This article was in error. Latest W10 Pro does support full 64c/128t according to AMD. Older W10 Pro updates may not.
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Coronavirus may delay some of those new CPUs and GPUs expected this year.
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Coronavirus Now Deadlier Than the SARS Outbreak as Odds for a Global Supply Chain Deep Freeze Increase
Impact on the tech sector as supply chains freeze
Tech giants such as Apple, Google, Microsoft , Tesla and Samsung have closed their offices and manufacturing facilities in China.
Many tech products that were expected to be shipped in February now face increasing delays.
Huawei has postponed its developers’ conference due to take place next week. Also, NVIDIA , LG Electronics and Ericsson have withdrawn from the upcoming Mobile World Congress conference in Barcelona.
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Just as I was about to check for W10 updates, I read:
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Yet Another Windows 10 Update Breaks Things… Who’s Shocked?
This could be connected to AMD as few more users have also reported experiencing this problem on devices with AMD Ryzen chips.
I guess I'll wait.
Update: Uh oh. It installed itself and awaits shutdown/restart. We'll see if it hits me.
Update 2: I paused it before it installed. Now I have a few days to consider. I assume failure is unusual. But, I don't want to deal with a failure today.
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Regarding previous post written yesterday:
I re-allowed updates today. Windows 10 checked for updates. Yesterday's updates seemed to have been modified with new updates with different ID numbers.
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Gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues
At this point it’s no secret AMD is struggling to iron out some driver related issues with their Radeon RX 5000 GPUs.
Nvidia went through a fair share of teething issues with Turing, but we think it’s fair to say they went on top of any major issues very quickly. AMD, on the other hand, has had seven months to sort out Navi, and by the looks of it, they just haven’t been able to deliver
Nearly half of all AMD users who took part in the poll responded ‘Yes’, they are having or have had serious issues with their Radeon GPU. The poll suggests that 48% of all AMD users have suffered major issues,
AMD has publicly acknowledged these bugs as "known issues" in their 20.0.3 driver release notes
Tried AMD twice. First a "local" built AMD CPU w/Radeon GPU (like 1997). Usable, but any problems I had were GPU/driver related.
Next time around a laptop. Some Windows CPU related problems, mostly GPU (whatever AMD's top of the line mobile GPU was then..around 1999-2000), some BAD problems with a lot of gaming software I played. More than enough to piss me off and also convince me the "discount" wasn't worth the problems at all.
Since then, I have built 4 or 5 Intel/nVidia based desktops with very successful results.
I tried and didn't like the results. It also seems to me many of the current issues sound very like the issues I had in the NINETIES!
That is a long time...
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"Nearly half of all AMD users who took part in the poll responded ‘Yes’" Its known that folks who are disappointed are likely to respond. Folks who are happy don't usually respond.
So, one cannot conclude that half of the AMD GPU users have problems. "The poll suggests that 48% of all AMD users have suffered major issues," is not supported.
I saw the article and would have posted it here if it seemed an accurate assessment. Looked too much like "click bait" to me. To each his own.
Meantime, I've RARELY had AMD GPU driver issues -- and I've used AMD GPUs since 2003 -- 17 years. One minor Navi issue that did not last long. Lately, I play my games at ultra settings at 4K (when that resolution is offered).
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Originally Posted by Allen
"Nearly half of all AMD users who took part in the poll responded ‘Yes’" Its known that folks who are disappointed are likely to respond. Folks who are happy don't usually respond.
So, one cannot conclude that half of the AMD GPU users have problems. "The poll suggests that 48% of all AMD users have suffered major issues," is not supported.
No-one is concluding that half of the AMD GPU users have problems, the article specifically states that "nearly half of all the AMD users to took part in the poll" so that's what that reference is to......however, they do go on to summarise their poll and say that "The poll suggests" ........so 'suggests' is the keyword and it's absolutely accurate because that's exactly what the results indicate.
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I saw the article and would have posted it here if it seemed an accurate assessment. Looked too much like "click bait" to me. To each his own.
Well, lets be honest here, anything from wccftech could be considered clickbait as it's a well-known AMD rumour/aggregator site that has proven to be very unreliable over the years with predictions that are way off the mark....yet that's where you get 99.9% of your daily articles and links from and the content of this thread is really just a summary of some of those articles! I doubt very much that you saw the techspot article, but still class that as 'clickbait' even though wccftech are running their own headline on it......
Meantime, I've RARELY had AMD GPU driver issues -- and I've used AMD GPUs since 2003 -- 17 years.
Given that AMD didn't buy out ATI until 2006 that's not an accurate statement at all....however I'm sure if you were run a poll or survey of AMD GPU owners (myself included) there was a period of time when their drivers were an utter joke and updates especially had all sorts of issues over quite a long period of time. It's widely known too so not sure why you'd try to wipe that under the carpet. Anyway, their history is irrelevant now as they seem to have turned things around but the point is, and the point of this article is that there are still issues with the current driver sets......you only need to google it and the pages are absolutely full of communities still having lots of issues.
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Given that AMD didn't buy out ATI until 2006 that's not an accurate statement at all.
I stand corrected
I started with 3DFx (still have their original GPU as keepsake), then Nvidia (IIRC), then ATI and stayed with it (with another Nvidia or two along the way). I worried when AMD bought them out. Been so long, I momentarily forgot. By the way, I was Intel CPU before AMD.
And, yes, I click through sites every morning. The second one is WCCFtech because they summarize a lot of sites and have some forward looking rumors that occasionally seem worth repeating -- saves time.
However, some rumors are too unfounded and I often don't like their "tone of voice" towards Intel (among others) in other rumors. So, I'm selective regarding WCCFtech lines I cut and paste.
Intel, Nvidia, and AMD make good competitive products -- i.e each wins some and loses some.
We await an AMD GPU that can compete with Nvidia FPS on the high end. However, Nvidia long ago said they would never let AMD beat them on maximum FPS. Its Nvidia's brand identity to be "fastest" FPS. If Nvidia has a few extra FPS, that makes AMD cards slightly less expensive -- Competition is good
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AMD Says Reviews Are Wrong – Windows 10 Pro (and Linux) Is Good Enough for Threadripper 3990X
[AMD says] "We wanted to clarify that AMD officially recommends Windows 10 Professional or Linux for the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X. Higher editions/versions of Windows 10 confer no additional performance or compatibility benefits to the processor."
[After our first article] some had commented that Microsoft's latest update Windows 10 Pro has already resolved this issue since the operating system is technically able to support 128 cores.
A earlier cut-past post in this thread (above) had given wrong information. Threadripper 3990X works fine with ordinary W10 Pro.
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Meantime, Nvidia is doing quite well:
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NVIDIA (NASDAQ: NVDA) reaches a new all-time high of $312.87 with a market cap of $191 Billion
The attachment shows the stock value climbing dramatically higher over the years.
Nvidia has the money to spend to keep a lead over AMD at the high end. But, so did Intel -- however, a few bad Intel decisions have lead to "parity" in desktop and commercial CPU markets. So, we'll see.
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Since negative news affects AMD Current Status:
wccftech had another negative article on possibly excessive AMD driver issues. Upon reconsideration of a few things, it still reads like click bait to me. I have not noticed any mention on the other sites I click each day (but I assume it is discussed on some sites I do not click).
We have 7 PCs in the house running AMD CPU/GPU -- no issues for a long time. Today, I checked all 7 to assure that they were running the latest Windows 10 update (as of today) and the latest AMD 20.2.1 driver. The GPU/CPU combinations are:
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AMD RDNA-2 GPUs will support Ray Tracing.
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Microsoft confirms Xbox Series X feature 12 Teraflops AMD RDNA 2 GPU
The device will feature a Zen 2 custom processor with RDNA 2-based graphics unit.
featuring RDNA GPU will also support hardware-accelerated DirectX raytracing
This is the ultimate proof that AMD’s upcoming RDNA2 architecture is capable of hardware raytracing.
In attachments, also note relatively high (not the highest) "compute" performance of RDNA-2.
The entire XBox will probably cost less than a good GPU. Thus, it will be interesting to see if AMD ray tracing (in such an inexpensive package) is actually fast enough to matter in real games (versus merely looking good in Demos).
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AMD Still Dominating Retail CPU Sales, but Coronavirus Could Hammer PCs
European retailer Mindfactory, has released regular data dumps with [CPU] retail sales comparisons showing AMD spiking to 80-82 percent market share .. which aligns well with overall Newegg and Amazon [CPU] data.
AMD currently holds about 15 percent of the overall PC market.
Microsoft, HP, and Apple have all warned about the impact coronavirus could have on their PC sales. Because virtually all systems are assembled in China,
One potential beneficiary of the slowdown is Intel, .. The impact of coronavirus has hit PC production much harder than CPU production .. which means the bottleneck has moved from Intel’s CPUs to the number of systems HP, Lenovo, Apple, and other companies can build on a weekly basis
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AMD expands Ryzen Embedded range
AMD has expected its Ryzen Embedded range with two new R1000 low-power processors that provide customers with a new TDP range of 6-10 watts.
AMD also announced new customers offering Mini PCs based on the AMD Ryzen Embedded processors from Sapphire, SECO, Simply NUC and others.
AMD's Embedded boss Rajneesh Gaur said .. “We are doing this with cutting-edge technology to display immersive graphics in 4K resolution with AMD Ryzen Embedded processors,"
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Cloudflare .. moves to AMD
Cloudflare .. is moving to a 48-core single socket AMD EPYC 7642.
The announcement by San Francisco-based Cloudflare, which provides DNS resolution, content delivery and security services, is a major boost for AMD, which has been making progressively greater inroads on Intel’s supreme control of the market..
The move follows head-to-head [AMD vs Intel] testing by the company of the [competing] CPUs, across data compression, power efficiency, cryptographic key generation, search performance and more.
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Jon Peddie Research Report on GPU shipments: AMD up 22.6%, Intel up 0.2% and NVIDIA down 1.9%
it is not really surprising seeing AMD gain market share in Q4'19 considering our own surveys showed a similar trend and affinity for Radeon GPUs.
NVIDIA was down 1.9% - which is probably because their Turing lineup is expensive and affordable only as far as the non-RTX series goes.
Rumors point out that new NVIDIA GPUs will be launching in March but if NVIDIA misses that timeline, we will likely not see any new graphics cards from the company till August/September
AMD is also working on their new RX 5950 XT series flagship (which might be renamed to 6000 series by the time it launches)
Intel is expected to formally enter the dGPU market in 2020 with their Xe series parts.
I'm assuming late-Summer/Fall for new GPUs. But, I hope to be wrong -- i.e. Something really does happen before early Summer. Until then, just expect more GPU "rumors" and "guesses" in this thread. I'll try to keep it to "new" rumors and guesses that seem credible -- with at least some new information (vs. repeats of old information).