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#4506930 - 02/10/20 05:29 PM The Future of the Trek Franchise  
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Lots of information and speculation on the future of Trek here:




https://youtu.be/R5e2cpr--e4


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I'll watch the video a bit later but I can say that the big problem started when Star Trek: Beyond under-performed at the box office. It made Paramount think twice about making a third film with the same JJ Abrams cast and guess what happened? Paramount and the main cast couldn't agree on a new contract. Apparently the actors were asking for more than Paramount was willing to pay so the negotiations went nowhere and then you started getting the Quentin Tarantino Star Trek rumors for a while but now it seems nothing will come out of that either.


Based on what I've read, ST: Discovery has been a commercial success for CBS and so far Picard is doing very well. So right now it seems that this new creative direction that CBS has taken with Trek has been vindicated.

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Why do people even bother with these haters videos?

People have hated the JJ movies from the get-go and well, frankly, they can #%&*$# off and die. I love them, and I love the new shows even more.
Far beyond the utter drek that was most of TNG, VOY and ENT. (and lets not mention the TNG movies - GAH!).

I only rank ST2 and ST6 above the JJ movies, and the TNG ones barely above ST5. DS9 was the best show but now Discovery is starting to beat it. Picard is looking awesome.

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People spend a lot of energy on things they don't like these days. It's the new pastime. The challenge is to get people who like something to dislike it. LOL


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#4506979 - 02/11/20 12:10 AM Re: The Future of the Trek Franchise [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Why do people even bother with these haters videos?



Did you even watch the video? He's not hating on anything other than the convoluted ownership situation that exists and what may happen in the next couple of years if NBC buys ST from CBS.

I get a distinct "no one's opinion matters but mine" vibe from your Trek related posts. It's fine that you have your opinion, but others have theirs too and have a right to express them. So why don't you chill out and drop the " #%&*$# off and die" nonsense.


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#4506981 - 02/11/20 12:30 AM Re: The Future of the Trek Franchise [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Bah, Trek died with Khan and an increasing interest in music and girls. exitstageleft

But being the nostalgic nutcase that I am, I'm waiting for future 3D technology to give us more TOS episodes. I love how they enhanced the visuals on my TOS Blu-ray boxset, just not enough seasons.



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Could be the human race is run
#4506986 - 02/11/20 12:52 AM Re: The Future of the Trek Franchise [Re: F4UDash4]  
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More rumors of behind the scenes political maneuvering:


Rumor: CBS Discussing Replacement For Alex Kurtzman on Star Trek

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A new rumor indicates that CBS is already discussing a replacement for Alex Kurtzman when it comes to Star Trek.

In fact, this rumor indicates that Shari Redstone, the chairman of the board following the CBS and Viacom merger, has already axed Kurtzman.


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Originally Posted by MarkG
just not enough seasons.



What's funny is that ST:TOS had more episodes in 3 seasons (79) than most series today have in 7 or 8 seasons. Almost all of the streaming series have at most 10 episodes in one season and many of the network tv shows have gone down to 13 episodes per season. And on top of that, each of the ST:TOS episodes run about 50 minutes since back then the total commercial breaks for a one hour show was about 10 minutes.


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I didn't realize this, PM.

I'm currently watching the complete Twilight Zone (an episode an evening) and there seems to be so many episodes (at library so can't check my boxset but reading online there's "5 seasons and 156 episodes.")



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4507083 - 02/11/20 05:22 PM Re: The Future of the Trek Franchise [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
I didn't realize this, PM.

I'm currently watching the complete Twilight Zone (an episode an evening) and there seems to be so many episodes (at library so can't check my boxset but reading online there's "5 seasons and 156 episodes.")



Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the classic Twilight Zone episodes were only 30 minutes each? I haven't seen any of those episodes since the 80's!

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the classic Twilight Zone episodes were only 30 minutes each? I haven't seen any of those episodes since the 80's!


I'm looking at my Blu-ray boxset now (c. 2016), "156 EPISODES PLUS SPECIAL FEATURES ON 24 DISCS."
"Run Time: Approx 74 Hrs., 34 Min."

I see this on Wikipedia which seems correct...

"The original series contains 156 episodes. The episodes in seasons one through three are 30 minutes long with commercials (24 or 25 minutes without commercials). Season four (1962–63) consists of one-hour episodes with commercials (51 minutes without commercials). Season five returned to the half-hour format."



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Even though the day is done
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#4507337 - 02/14/20 09:15 AM Re: The Future of the Trek Franchise [Re: EAF331 MadDog]  
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog

People have hated the JJ movies from the get-go and well, frankly, they can #%&*$# off and die. I love them, and I love the new shows even more.
Far beyond the utter drek that was most of TNG, VOY and ENT. (and lets not mention the TNG movies - GAH!).



A lot of people very much liked Voyager (at least the first 4-5 seasons), the TNG movies, and even some of Enterprise much better than the franchise-ruining insults JJ Abrams puts out (whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars).

First Contact and Insurrection were much better written, directed, and acted (and much less beset by ridiculous special effects) than either of the JJ Abrams Star Trek miscreations. Abrams has a unique talent for simultaneously being extremely derivative yet completely failing grasp (or intentionally ignoring) the essence of what an television/film franchise great.

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Originally Posted by Nimits
Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog

People have hated the JJ movies from the get-go and well, frankly, they can #%&*$# off and die. I love them, and I love the new shows even more.
Far beyond the utter drek that was most of TNG, VOY and ENT. (and lets not mention the TNG movies - GAH!).



A lot of people very much liked Voyager (at least the first 4-5 seasons), the TNG movies, and even some of Enterprise much better than the franchise-ruining insults JJ Abrams puts out (whether it be Star Trek or Star Wars).

First Contact and Insurrection were much better written, directed, and acted (and much less beset by ridiculous special effects) than either of the JJ Abrams Star Trek miscreations. Abrams has a unique talent for simultaneously being extremely derivative yet completely failing grasp (or intentionally ignoring) the essence of what an television/film franchise great.



I've always felt that JJTrek was made for a younger crowd who wanted less depth and more flash.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4

I've always felt that JJTrek was made for a younger crowd who wanted less depth and more flash.




This is largely true. In a nutshell, the JJ Star Trek reboot was heavily "Starwarsized"


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by F4UDash4

I've always felt that JJTrek was made for a younger crowd who wanted less depth and more flash.




This is largely true. In a nutshell, the JJ Star Trek reboot was heavily "Starwarsized"



Yep. Which makes it less, musch less, "StarTrekized"

Which is the pity of the current direction of the whole franchise, all of this "Gotta keep up with the modern world" or whatever reasoning for the direction Trek has taken ceauce it makes it less of what it was intended to be and less of what it was from TOS through ENT. Or ENT through VOY if you prefer your Trek chronologically wink

Yes the production values are fantastic, the special effects are phenomenal, the writing and acting is top notch... but the stories? The "feel"? Not My Trek.


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Yet none of the Trek series have been the same. They have all been different, same with the movies.

So what is "Trek"? Each person have their own relationship with the franchise and parts they like or dislike about it.

I enjoy DS9 best, dislike most of TNG, VOY and ENT. Only good "pre-JJ" movies are ST2 and ST6.
I love the new movies and shows.

But others have different views. One might argue that the Roddenberry series are the "true" Trek, but they were also made 60 years ago in a different television-era.
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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Yet none of the Trek series have been the same. They have all been different, same with the movies.



Same answer here as when you stated the above in the Make it so: a ST Picard series! thread:

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Each series has been different in it's own way without throwing away the fundamental nature of Trek. Until now.

"Because it was no longer Starfleet! Starfleet had slunk from its duties... the decision to abandon those people we had sworn to save was not just dishonorable, it was downright criminal!" - Picard

Roddenberry's vision was buried with that line. There have been "cracks" shown in Starfleet before, but that statement was an absolute condemnation of the entire organization.


And since he said it so much better than I, I will also quote Nimits:

Originally Posted by Nimits
The basic premise of the show, that Star Fleet is corrupt or decayed at its core, inherently is not Star Trek. (Before anyone says anything, yes I know both TNG and DS9 explored the idea that Star Fleet made mistakes and was, at times, vulnerable to conspiracies from within, but those were always presented as aberrations, in part due to external manipulation, not something at the heart of Star Fleet). As an American, Star Fleet (from TOS through DS9) was always a sci fi stand-in for the United States, not perfect, but generally well-intentioned and getting it right in the end. A show that makes the good guys the bad guys is not something I am likely to be interested in.


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Star Fleet being "corrupt or decayed" is your interpretation. Nowhere is "Saving the Romulan Empire" is in their charter.

Just because Picard thought it was the right thing to do doesn't make it what Star Fleet must do - espesially not with their primary shipyard destroyed by terrorists. In addition many UFP members wanted the romulans to burn due to their past history - and Star Fleet is a civilian organiation run by the UFP. It is not a military force (even if it has armed vessels and ranks), that has been stated many times on the shows.

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Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Star Fleet being "corrupt or decayed" is your interpretation.


I didn't say it, PICARD said it. And Picard is the star of the entire franchise, he and his opinion's are the measure by which everything in the Trek universe has been judged since pretty much the first episode of TNG aired, his opinion matters and when he says "Starfleet is criminal" it means something.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by EAF331 MadDog
Star Fleet being "corrupt or decayed" is your interpretation.


I didn't say it, PICARD said it. And Picard is the star of the entire franchise, he and his opinion's are the measure by which everything in the Trek universe has been judged since pretty much the first episode of TNG aired, his opinion matters and when he says "Starfleet is criminal" it means something.


And a statement you later see is somewhat flawed and very colored by Picards experiences. He made promises to the refugees, and when he didn't get his own way after Utopia was destroyed and Star Fleet refused to empty all it's reserved into the rescue to rescue millions by potentially exposing billions and tirllions to being unprotected he gave them an ultimatum putting his comission on line.

What did Picard do when he faced with an obstacle he couldn't overcome? He gave Starfleet an ultimatum about his comission, was cashiered and spent the next 14 years moping in selfpitty. In the process utterly abandoning those who had helped him and whose careers went down the drain with him, those whom he had promised to help and generally nursing a grudge against Starfleet for not being his private navy at his beck and call.

So when he does need their help after lambasting them on galactic news, he just struts into Starfleet command and assumes he'll get a new comission and a ship because, I'm Picard!

This show actually has awesome character growth and exploration about Picard, but it is not a show about Starfleet or the UFP - but Trek has always been the whole universe.

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