#4504728 - 01/23/20 01:14 PM
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DCS: Supercarrier includes:
Highly detailed and animated Nimitz-class aircraft carrier that includes the USS Theodore Roosevelt, USS Abraham Lincoln, and the USS George Washington. While in early access, additional ships of the sub-class will be added. Fully modelled sensors and weapon systems. Interactive carrier radio communications that includes CASE I, CASE II, and CASE III flight operations that range from daylight/good weather landings to night-time/foul weather operations. Animated deck crew to launch aircraft from all four catapults. Occupy the Landing Signal Officer (LSO) station with integrated landing camera. This also has the option to play in VR. Numerous deck starting locations for aircraft in multiplayer. New static objects for the Supercarrier that includes static deck crew and support equipment.
I have to say, ED have lifted their game after the post on Reddit.
Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but there are several improvements to the series that show ED are moving in the right direction. I can not speak for everyone, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel,,,,the length of the tunnel may vary from person to person.
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#4504761 - 01/23/20 09:19 PM
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#4504863 - 01/24/20 02:05 PM
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I don't know how you can live with all this negativity in you. Are you going collapse into a point of dark energy or something? I think the only thing keeping you afloat is your propensity to insult other people.
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#4504885 - 01/24/20 04:47 PM
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#4504904 - 01/24/20 08:26 PM
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I don't know how you can live with all this negativity in you........... It just so happens that Eagle Dynamics are the gift incompetence that just keeps on giving not delivering How many promises and early-access platforms have we seen from these jokers.......look at some of the content from the last few years....the F/A 18 still hasn't got A/G radar FFS. It doesn't matter what they promise about the 'Supercarrier', we all know it will be a 'Sh1tcarrier' for years to come. It's really difficult to not be negative when you know that the next round of ineptitude is just around the corner. I've given up playing this crock of sh1t but I keep my eye on the forum and the posts, just waiting for that magical moment where ED finally start delivering on the potential, start releasing some real polish, finally get to finish off their content and modules and await the community to claim we've finally got a Combat Simulator and not a barren screenshot generator. It's been about 2 years since I parked this title and guess what. THINGS ARE STILL NOT IMPROVING and ED continue down the same track, making the same mistakes and seemingly without a care in the world. They can shove their 'Supercarrier' up their crimper.
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#4504910 - 01/24/20 08:48 PM
Re: DCS Supercarrier
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I don't know how you can live with all this negativity in you. Are you going collapse into a point of dark energy or something? I think the only thing keeping you afloat is your propensity to insult other people. Cmon now Ghost...he's talking about the expectations of a product and you're making it personal. Whether you like it or not...ED has given many simmers plenty of reason to be skeptical over the years, and that's all he was stating.
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#4504911 - 01/24/20 09:40 PM
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They can shove their 'Supercarrier' up their crimper. I got a good laugh out of this comment.
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#4504927 - 01/25/20 12:44 AM
Re: DCS Supercarrier
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DCS: Supercarrier includes:
Highly detailed and animated Nimitz-class aircraft carrier that includes the USS Theodore Roosevelt, USS Abraham Lincoln, and the USS George Washington. While in early access, additional ships of the sub-class will be added. Fully modelled sensors and weapon systems. Interactive carrier radio communications that includes CASE I, CASE II, and CASE III flight operations that range from daylight/good weather landings to night-time/foul weather operations. Animated deck crew to launch aircraft from all four catapults. Occupy the Landing Signal Officer (LSO) station with integrated landing camera. This also has the option to play in VR. Numerous deck starting locations for aircraft in multiplayer. New static objects for the Supercarrier that includes static deck crew and support equipment.
I have to say, ED have lifted their game after the post on Reddit.
Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but there are several improvements to the series that show ED are moving in the right direction. I can not speak for everyone, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel,,,,the length of the tunnel may vary from person to person. Oh,oh are you from Bizzaro World? Should we refer to you as Winzarro? And where is Winfield?
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#4504936 - 01/25/20 03:14 AM
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DCS: Supercarrier includes:
Highly detailed and animated Nimitz-class aircraft carrier that includes the USS Theodore Roosevelt, USS Abraham Lincoln, and the USS George Washington. While in early access, additional ships of the sub-class will be added. Fully modelled sensors and weapon systems. Interactive carrier radio communications that includes CASE I, CASE II, and CASE III flight operations that range from daylight/good weather landings to night-time/foul weather operations. Animated deck crew to launch aircraft from all four catapults. Occupy the Landing Signal Officer (LSO) station with integrated landing camera. This also has the option to play in VR. Numerous deck starting locations for aircraft in multiplayer. New static objects for the Supercarrier that includes static deck crew and support equipment.
I have to say, ED have lifted their game after the post on Reddit.
Maybe not everyone's cup of tea but there are several improvements to the series that show ED are moving in the right direction. I can not speak for everyone, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel,,,,the length of the tunnel may vary from person to person. Oh,oh are you from Bizzaro World? Should we refer to you as Winzarro? And where is Winfield? Oh, oh, are you from Canada?....Should we refer to you as Beliebisher? And where is Bisher? ....
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#4505192 - 01/27/20 10:46 PM
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And in two years you can buy Supercarrier II because they've added more "features". Kinda like A10-C II and Black Shark III. I don't think they handled Black Shark 2 well. But Black Shark 3/A-10C 2 seems okay if priced right. A-10C came out in 2011, I don't expect them to continue adding new features to it a decade later for free. That is practically unheard of in the game industry.
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#4505198 - 01/27/20 11:19 PM
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A-10C II might be shaping up to be a different suite, or, a more complete suite. There are a bunch of features that could be added that would be quite nice to have.
Black Shark 3 may or may not be a different bird - it appears to be one of the more modern variants that would resemble a gunship of today.
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#4505474 - 01/29/20 09:32 PM
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That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol
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#4505561 - 01/30/20 04:53 PM
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That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol What's also unheard of is games getting put on sale at 40% finished, getting abandoned at 60% finished, and the cycle continuing on a year-on-year basis.
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#4505712 - 01/31/20 07:47 PM
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That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol And that is relevant in what way? Don't get me wrong, I'd be very happy to get updates for games forever but at some point it is unreasonable. Personally I was not a huge fan of BF1 or BF5, and I'd rather have new maps, weapons and have BF4 moved over to the new engine for free. But over 6 years post release, I don't think that would be reasonable. That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol What's also unheard of is games getting put on sale at 40% finished, getting abandoned at 60% finished, and the cycle continuing on a year-on-year basis. Have you not been buying games over the past 4-5 years? Sadly that is very common. See ArmA 3, Day Z or the dozens of other games released as Early Access and remain in a perpetual beta state for years while going on sale before jumping onto the next project.
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#4505759 - 02/01/20 05:37 AM
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That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol And that is relevant in what way? I'll try to explain how it's relevant.: You say that developers giving free upgrades for years is unheard of...this is true to some extent...but no developer in history has screwed over their loyal customers as much as ED for the last decade...period. Your BF1-BF5 comparison is not even close...those titles were released in a reasonable state and updated in a business like time frame at the time money changed hands. So I was thinking that it could be a good opportunity for ED to flip the script. Possibly give the customers that purchased BS1& BS2 the BS3 update for free. I can hear you saying already "You wouldn't work for free". I don't charge customers full price and then not deliver a finished product...it seems software development is one of the few exceptions that allows this type of fraud. They could shock the flight sim industry by actually throwing some sort of free nugget to their loyal customers but I think we know better than that.
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#4505866 - 02/02/20 07:26 AM
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That is practically unheard of in the game industry. Another thing that was unheard of in the industry...a pre-order bonus (Nevada) being 4 years late after the product released...lol And that is relevant in what way? I'll try to explain how it's relevant.: You say that developers giving free upgrades for years is unheard of...this is true to some extent...but no developer in history has screwed over their loyal customers as much as ED for the last decade...period. Your BF1-BF5 comparison is not even close...those titles were released in a reasonable state and updated in a business like time frame at the time money changed hands. So I was thinking that it could be a good opportunity for ED to flip the script. Possibly give the customers that purchased BS1& BS2 the BS3 update for free. I can hear you saying already "You wouldn't work for free". I don't charge customers full price and then not deliver a finished product...it seems software development is one of the few exceptions that allows this type of fraud. They could shock the flight sim industry by actually throwing some sort of free nugget to their loyal customers but I think we know better than that. That still isn't very relevant, and not historically true with regards to Battlefield 4. It took over a year and had to get handed down to a different studio (DICE Los Angeles, former Danger Close studio) for the fixes to be properly implemented. While that doesn't mean every game should follow this example it does show that it isn't that uncommon. Even the recently released CoD Modern Warfare was broken for about a month post release because the tick rate / net code couldn't account for the rate of fire of weapons. This resulted in instant "death rays" because only the first shot would report on your PC as a 3-5 round burst would be combined into one shot. So turn around a corner, see an elbow sticking out, boom, instant death. They fixed it and now you can see enemy shots, every one of them, and feel the gradual impact of them. But this is coming from the series that probably made the most profits this past decade. That just shows you how common it is for a full price game to include many bugs. As for ED giving free stuff, we do get updates. New graphics, AI units, functionality, a new free map (thankfully) and an entirely new 3D model for the Blackshark cockpit. Only thing you'll have to pay for is the new variants. While the A-10C represented a current model for the time, it was quickly made out dated due to new software suites. I recall reading a few years back from someone who worked with the planes that the A-10C was fairly close to the real thing but was a very out dated suite. Consider it something like making ah AH-64D circa 2000 flight simulator in 2008, and then expecting a free upgrade with all the new technology in the AH-64E a decade later. Fixing things and bug fixes do need to be free, and the upgrades to the core game are needed because it is lacking in many areas. But I can see why they are charging a bit for the new models of these planes. It depends on how much of a discount they give. If they want ~$30 for a slightly newer model then it certainly isn't worth it unless you absolutely need the latest model. But from my understanding you'll still be able to fly the old variants if you don't purchase the new ones. Pre-order bonuses being late (very late) doesn't have much to do with what products should get free updates for X amount of years though. I would say, if ED can figure out who pre-ordered the A-10C way back when, those people should get the new variant for free due to having to wait obscenely long. It would certainly be helpful from a PR perspective.
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#4507433 - 02/14/20 10:51 PM
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lol...Call of Duty's net code not being up to snuff a month after release really should make ED's customers feel so much better about the problems they've had to deal with for the last 10 years.
Thanks for putting it in perspective. Considering how much money they have made that is shameful. They aren't a small rag tag team of developers and the net code issues were worse than the majority of the DCS issues as it was game breaking. DCS has some issues but few are that severe. Still doesn't mean ED should develop a new plane and give it away to customers who bought a previous product a decade ago though. For those that want to keep the old variants, they're still getting free upgrades to. Though maybe they should give all F-15C/FC3 owners the F-15E just because. I wouldn't mind it for free.
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#4508332 - 02/24/20 09:43 PM
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Still doesn't mean ED should develop a new plane and give it away to customers who bought a previous product a decade ago though
Is that what they're doing? Scrapping the previous module and starting from scratch? I was under the impression with BS2/BS3 they were updating from the previous version. I suspect the same for A10-2. I never said they should give away ground up built modules for free...just the ones they're putting a spit shine on and re-selling over again.
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