I mention here a friend gave me a bunch of other old PC games when he gave me Star Trek Star Fleet Command 2. https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4502318/1 Those other games being Panzer General 2 and Pacific General and Sudden Strike.

I haven't started on Pacific General and Sudden Strike but I have been playing Panzer General 2.

How do you win?

I am playing the German side and the first map in Spain, I got brilliant victory but it was tough.

I had one Stuka which was the only item I was able to purchase using the prestige point it gave me at the beginning.

Then what was left was a couple of the APC and 2 cannon and 2 troops.

Next map is Poland and using the prestige points I got from winning in Spain, I bought a tank and a ME109 and another artillery.

The map also gave me some other units.

I barely won this one too with only 6 units left: the Stuka, the ME109, couple of artillery, an APC and 2 troops.

Next one is in Finland against the Russians.

I was decimated.

I lost using all my turns and I only had one tank, one APC, one artillery, one troop, the Stuka and the ME109.

The map gave me several units that I didn't purchase, all Finland, they were all gone.

My Stuka and ME109 was useless because of the snow.

I think they only worked twice.

Now I am in Sedan with a total of the 6 units that survived Finland.

This map is not giving me any other units I didn't bring with me or purchased.

I barely have enough prestige to buy anything: 1200 points.

I think I may get me a couple of towed artillery.

It's hard to win when you are outnumbered and then keep running out of ammo and you lose a turn just refueling, rearming and replacing.

You are definitely on a retro gaming kick huh?


I played the heck out of Panzer General and Panzer General 2 but that was years and years ago so I'm a bit sketchy on the details. What difficulty are you playing the game on? Maybe you need to lower it.

There is a difficulty level setting?

Also when I take one of the goal squares, the enemy flag with the highlighted border, and it turns into the German flag.

If I leave it, can the enemy take it back.

In the Finland map I had to leave one troop behind in the square cos I was afraid the Russians will take it back.

Also the ones that are my own by default with the highlighted border, I don't have enough units to leave to guard them.

I have been lucky so far in the other 3 maps but I was afraid the enemy will find some way around me to go take them.

You can't see every enemy unit on the entire map until they materialize so who is to say while I am moving toward one direction, there is an enemy unit hiding behind me that I haven't come upon that will backtrack and take my starting point.

Sudden Strike suks.

I tried it.

I moved one soldier forward maybe 3 paces and boom, everything came out of nowhere and killed him and everyone behind him and around him and then they disappear.

Geeee.... if I can't see the enemy, how can I fight them?

PG2...nice!

I haven't played in awhile but still have a working copy on my machine.

There isn't a difficulty setting really...but there is a "prestige" modifier before you start a campaign. Increase that modifier so it gives you more prestige <money> to buy more units. Probe with recon units...check the entrenchment number of units before attacking. Soften them up with artillery and air before attacking with your ground units if the number is high. On some maps I remember paratroopers being available at air fields. Taking paratroopers on an end around behind and taking one of their points helped slow them up.

This might not help much, it's been awhile and I wasn't very good when I was playing.

Do you guys remember "People's General"? It was set in the modern era and you could play as the Chinese, the US or Russia.

I see the modifier. It's set at 100 by default.

Great game, i just finished replaying PG Afrika Korps not so long ago. Nothing worse than that enemy units that sneaks a cap behind your front line when your closest unit is at least three moves away

Many times defense is your best offense, let him smash his units against yours and wear himself out. Sometimes you may have to reshuffle and pull back a hex or two so with his next move he has to come to you and doesn't get that free arty shot.

I always send out trash cheap inf to probe, you need to know where he is and what he has so you can decide what you are sending and where. You also need to kill his airforce asap. Fighters first if possible so your air can run amok. I always try and end a turn with my fighters covering my arty and bombers. In most cases it is no good just rushing a city and then headbutting against it. Leave a hex gap, inf and tank line, arty behind to pound it, air support to ward off his air if you haven't already sorted that.

Never lose a good or especially elite or upgraded units. Pull them back when they are low and reinforce. A reinforced unit is worth much more than a newby unit and is worth a few turns out of action. In desperate situations, buy cheap trash inf or at guns to cover them.

Every finishing move has to leave you set up for your next opening move so you have to have secure flanks and the ability to reshuffle your push for when the unexpected happens. It's like Tyson said, everyone got a plan 'til they get hit, and PG always pulls out that hit when you are not expecting it.

Thank you Ajay.

My friend who gave me the game told me to have multiple saves.

Save after each move and keep several old save.

So if you don't like your move or what it caused, load the previous save and redo the move.

Save especially right before you end your turn.

I haven't tried that.

That's cheating IMO.



A lot of of these old games are better than what is available out there today.

How many times can you play a First Person Shooter?

I don't care if it's set in World War 2, in the future, in outer space.

Any way you wrap it and add the newest game engine and graphics, it's still a First Person Shooter.

Search for strategy guide and hints found this, 2 custom made expansion pack.

Self install program

http://www.panzercentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38679

which include all these campaigns, each one has as little as 4 missions/maps to as many as 50:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_FVVBT2QAF9MWZhYWU5NDYtOWJmNS00OGVhLTk0MzktNWU1MTQ1YmUwNDYy/view

and then another add on campaign:

http://panzercentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=47320

One of them is Band of Brothers.

Finally got out of Sedan with one turn left after losing and replaying again.

I am in Thermopolae now.

I found this:

http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/PG2_CampaignPaths.asp

The different campaigns based on how you win each one.

Still playing the campaign as the German.

The Russians are coming is not a lie.

In the winter with snow grounding my few Stukas, Junkers and Messerschmitts, I am fighting out to the last bullet and shell.

Then halfway through the numbers of total turns when I only see less than a handful of Russian units and thinking I got it won, I end turn.

Here comes this horde of Russians tanks, artillery, ground units, and more tanks:

not just T-34.

But also American and British made tanks I don't recognize them from their name.

I GOOGLE it and found this.

I never heard of Churchill and Matilda.

Also when I think of Russian tanks during World War 2, I think of T-34.

But look at all those other tanks and armored vehicles the Russian made.

They didn't just make the T-34.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/ww2-soviet-tanks.asp

The Germans just have the same Panzer tanks with a bigger number but a newer one is not much better than the previous one than maybe a couple of improvement in attack hit points.

Then there are the Tigers and Panthers which are useless: 3-4 moves and they are out of gas.

When they are out of gas, they can't even shoot.

Also notice from 1939 to 1943 and on, the Luftwaffe has the same planes.

The Germans just kept cranking out the same things over and over and didn't make much improvements in fighters and bombers design.

Saw a couple of M-410 but even with their higher hard and soft attack rating, they turn out to be less effecting than an older Heinkel 111, Junkers 88 and Stuka.

Here you have the British and of course the Americans, keep introducing newer and better fighters, bombers, tanks, self propelled artillery anti- tank into the battlefield as World War 2 progresses on;

Germany just keep upgrading the same stuff over and not for the better.

Then they spent unlimited resources and material and manpower and money on useless stuff that wasn't going to make any difference on the battlefield to help their ground troops and armor or in the air:

the V1, the V2, the ME-262, tanks so big they don't get far without gas that Germany no longer had and they were so mechanically complicated that they were prone to breakdowns.

I once saw a documentary about German World War 2 tanks that said the Panther or the Tiger, one of them, had 16 gears transmission compared to the U.S. tanks that only had 4.

How do you expect a tank crew to fix that in the battlefield when it breaks down especially as the war progress on, the crews are new and inexperienced and poorly trained and rushed into service?

Wait until you come up against the Russian IS2 Like i was saying above, a lot of the time you have to move in blobs and bombers and fighter bombers need fighter cover. The 410 is good for attacking bombers but not so good when jumped by fighters. Supply you really need to keep an eye on, it can make or break an attack or defense. I always thought it would have been nice if they included supply trucks that supplied all units it touched and then needed to head back to city hexes for topping up.

Those Russians are not only relentless, they had unlimited number of bodies to throw into the meat grinder.

Either go forward and fight the Nazis or be shot while retreating.

Hitler and his armies never stood a chance even if the Russian Winter never existed.

I watched a documentary once about the Russian war factories. Not only did they perform the scorched earth policy, they also dismantled all their factories military and non military, haul them on trains and moved them 1000 miles east.

1600 factories, move them 1000 miles east into frozen wasteland along with 16 million people needed to work those factories, using over 6200 miles of train tracks.

Then they reassembled those factories to the way they were while having to break solid frozen ground and started producing war and non war goods 24/7., all done in less than 75 days.

Amazing how they were able to do that.

Of course the penalties for failure for everyone, civilian and military, was most likely the death squad.

I am also playing a campaign as the British. Finish in East Africa and they sent me to here next. I didn't know about this World War II battle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Madagascar

If you want a good doco on the Eastern Front watch The Great Patriotic War, an 18 part series. There used to be a dubbed version on Youtube but there is also a subtitled version. There is an older one, 20 episodes, called The Unknown War that isn't bad as well. A guy called TIK on youtube also does some great stuff, really in depth. When he focuses purely on the tactics, strategy, supply, men and leaders, particularly the myth of 'Russian Hordes' side of it he is really good. Unfortunately he let comments get to him and strayed into the political side of things and went a bit off course in his later stuff.

Thank you Ajay. I will look for that.

I didn't know the Tempest and the Typhoon are almost same thing.

Those poor Poles had it rough!

They were using old airplanes and tanks against the Germans.

Airplanes with this kind of wing design. There is probably a correct name for it but I don't know it. I know it's not biplane.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_O-52_Owl

Then I get send to Norway and France, I had even less choices of artillery and fighter and no tanks to choose from.

I lost most of my tanks and artillery in Poland and I had nothing in Norway and France to choose from to replenish my army with.

They were fighting along side the French and the British to stop the Germans from entering France from Belgium and Holland.

The French and British didn't give them newer equipment?

After losing in France, they send me to North Africa to fight alongside the Australian in the defense of Tobruk.

I didn't know the Poles and Australian were at Tobruk. I looked it up and yes they were.

Only after winning two battles at Tobruk and having the Afrika Korps on the run, no longer commanded by Rommel, did the game give me newer equipment like Spitfire VC for bomber and Hurricane and Spitfire fighters.

I have been stuck using these for the 8-9 missions since the beginning of the campaign going back to 1939:

these are the fighters I had to use during the Siege of Warsaw that took me a week and over 2 dozen replays to get past it with a victory:

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=614

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=618

and this bomber for the entire first 7 mission from Poland to Norway and France.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1795

Only did after I got to Tobruk did it give me this which were just slightly better but still pretty useless against German tanks, artillery and armored vehicles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairey_Battle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter

My next battle will be in Ghazala and looking it up, the allies lost big time.

Looks like I will lose this one too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gazala

I am still in North Africa chasing the Afrika Korps. I need to go back to school and learn some of these battles. I never heard of this one. When you hear North Africa and Afrika Korps, you think of Rommel, El Alamein, Tobruk, Kasserine Pass.

By the way, when it's 80-100 degrees outside, the inside of your car can get to 160 or more.

But you turn the A/C on and run it for a few minutes and all is fine.

Can you imagine being in a tank in North Africa? No A/C. I wonder how many tank crew on both the Axis and Allies side died from heat exhaustion from being in a hot stuffy tank breathing the stifling heat.

Finally got out of North Africa, barely too.

I am still playing as the Poles.

Just got sent to Monte Cassino.

The Poles are finally getting new equipment.

Mustang III fighters, Sherman and Valentine tanks, 155 mm and 182 mm artillery, M16 AA guns mounted on motorized vehicle, Mosquito and Lancaster attack bombers, Wolverine anti tank vehicle, Cromwell Cruiser tank and even paratroopers..

I found this on Wiki, many of them I never heard or knew about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_battles

Whose job is to come up with those Operation names?

The Generals do that or their staff officers or some sergeants do that?

Do they just make up a bunch of names, throw them in a hat, and pick one out at random?

update: I need to win at Monte Cassino.

I just read the Wiki page for it and it was the Poles who captured the Abbey after 4 months of bitter fighting between Allied troops and German troops.

The flag that was raised over the Abbey to signal the capture of it was the Polish flag.

Beats me, but if you use VA and play DCS, I suggest this: https://www.vaicompro.com/

I learn to be more on defense than on offense.

Artillery is hitch up to a truck and when you move it, it's vulnerable to air strikes and attack by ground troops and by enemy artillery when it's the A.I.'s turn.

For the first few turns I leave them there and not move them. When you end turn, the enemy will advance and those artillery will automatically fire.

They can't fire when they are stuck behind a moving truck.

I have seen single turn where all my artillery just kept firing and firing at everything that's moving toward my position.

They had 4-5 shells before I ended the turn and by the start of my next turn, most of them are down to 1 shell or are empty.

When it's my turn again, I go through all of them and resupply the ones that need ammo.

But they were very effective.

5-7 artillery firing at one enemy unit: infantry or armor, it's enough to take out that unit before it even gets close enough to do damage to my infantry and tanks.

The thing I find most useless is AA gun. Don't matter if I buy 2-3 that have a 2 or 3 range.

I try to space them out in my unit so they have the maximum coverage of the airspace over all my units.

But the enemy planes always seem to find that one single HEX here and there that my AA just happen to not cover.

I never wasted money on the AA units unless i was desperate or for a cheap blocker unit. Fighters, even sh/tty ones are better. As long as you can get a decent line of fighters with only one hex gap in between them you can set up a defensive line that the enemy can't penetrate. You really have to take out their air asap though, air superiority is very important so your weaker units, especially arty, don't get obliterated Sounds like you are getting it down pat down though.

Thank you Ajay. Not just AA unit. Anti-tank guns seems useless too. Most of them have a 1 range. What good does it do when you have to be right next to enemy tank almost touching it to get a hit on it?

Yes I have been learning to even give up one entire turn without firing a shot or advancing any unit just to resupply them, especially artillery and air power. I see my airplanes down to 2 or 1 shot left, I move them back to the airfield or start getting them back toward it.

Finally got out of Monte Cassino and Piemonte. I won a regular victory but I lost many good infantry and artillery units. Those Nazis wouldn't give up an inch.

Wow! How do you win this?

Russia outnumbers Germany a lot to 1 and they are all fortified down. Luftwaffe is useless here.

Ask Von Paulus?

Didn't he surrender and die in a Siberian Gulag?

He surrendered. I really don't know his final outcome, but I doubt he died in a Berchtesgaden gasthaus swilling beer with the off duty Liebstandarte guys.

He didn't die in Soviet captivity.

One of the 6,000 lucky ones out of 91,000 Germans taken prisoners after Paulus and his 6th Army surrendered at Stalingrad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Paulus#Capitulation

Darn, I coulda sworn he was a Von...

91k prisoners...the wiki said over half died on the march to "captivity".

Still playing this. There are so many campaigns and scenario and you can play as many different countries or different armies within the countries, it's endless.

I am on the road to Berlin and the closer I get, the more new weapons the Nazis are throwing at me. Their air force which has been very quiet in France is now coming at me in force: bombers, fighters, and the new ME-262 as both fighters and bombers.

Took 6 YAK and IL fighters to take out one ME-262 and I am short on fighters.

Also they are throwing all kind of new anti tank guns and cannons on tracks or on wheels instead of being pull by horses and also gigantic rail guns and in the current map I am playing, I am seeing this for the first time in the past 29 battles:



I was thinking it's something the game makers made up but it's not:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

That is one ugly thing.

WIKI says only one was made.

I only saw one in the current battle. Took several shots from 122mm, 152 mm and 230 mm artillery + more shots from several KV85 and T-34 and IS-122 to kill it.

Dam thing fire one shot from 3 squares away at one T-34/85 (brand spanking new with full life point) and the T-34 exploded. The T-34 couldn't fire back, its gun range was only one square.

As long as you have kept your core units all the way through snd upgraded them when you can you should curbstomp them. Just use crappy cheap inf to cover your core as you move forward.

Only one Maus was assembled, a number of hulls and turret were awaiting completion by April '45. Needless to say, it was operationally ineffective, impossible to move across 99% of all bridges ... and not big enough for Adolf. He wanted the E100, and afterwards the E1000 from Porsche. When the Soviets were overrunning Kummerdorf, the local Nazies tried to blow up their Maus, and failed. It's now standing in the tank museum in Kubinka, though that one seems to be a mating of a hull and a turret that were originally not together.

Yes, let's waste time and material on making one super massive totally impractical tank instead of using that time and material on making more PZ IV's and Panthers. Meh, the war was long lost anyway so it made no difference.

Hitler loved his big tanks and he had no oil to run them.

Yes sir, Ajay, my units are at 15hp. I try not to replace them with newer models units cos that would bring the hp back to 10 and exp level back to 0.

Finally got a new plane while playing as Germany. It looks like a goldfish!



The German campaign begins in Spain and then goes to Czechoslovakia and Poland and Belgium and France and Greece and North Africa and Malta and then Russia, depending on whether you win Brilliantly or win Tactically or just win or lose. But regardless, it seems at first up to 1939-1940, you get new tanks and artillery and troops units and fighters and bombers and anti-tank guns after almost each won battle. Then 1940-1944, pretty much nothing new. The same weapons over and over. Occasionally it gives you a better tank which is just a very little improved of what I already have, a PZ II or III with the attack attributes raised by just 1 points.

Unlike on the opposite side, the British and the Russians kept getting newer and newer weapons in several choices. Instead of a new fighter they have 3 new fighters. Instead of a new tank they have 3 new tanks, all different models and so on. Especially the Russians, they not only had the T-34 and American made tanks, they had so many different models tanks and artillery on tank chassis, I lost count. Many numbers of them too. I am able to field 10-20 tanks and artillery in one battle, the Russians get to put 50 on the field plus half that number of troops.

Guess Hitler didn't think he needed to continue weapon development at the beginning of the war and didn't realize it until toward the end near 1943, before that he thought the same weapons he was using in 1938 to 1943 was good enough for every battle, every campaign, every environment. Then when he finally started developing new weapons, they were all wrong. Tanks that were too heavy and too big and too difficult to repair in the field by the tank crew and those tanks used too much precious oil. His wonder weapons that were costly to develop and make in large numbers and were useless in turning the tide of war. He should had concentrated on weapons that were efficient, cheap to develop in large quantity, and could be put on the battlefield in large numbers.

Those big tanks Hitler had like a Panther or Tiger may have been no match for a T-34 or a Sherman in gun range, gun power, armor, but when the Russians and British and Americans had tanks and guns on the field that outnumbered a Panther or Tiger 3 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1, don't matter how big that new German tank was or how thick its armor was or how its gun had longer range. 3 to 10 enemy tanks and artillery shooting continuously at the same German tank, that tank is doomed. It can only fire back at one target at the time while shell after shell is hitting it from all sides.

Those artillery guns on tank chassis that the German had were stupid too. The gun is fixed and it's not on a turret that can spin 360 degrees. The gun is still only able to fire in the direction the chassis is pointed at. Only advantage it has over a gun that is hitched to a truck or a horse to move it and troops ti unhitch it and turn it into the correct position and direction, is it can roll and turn on its own power like a tank or a truck.

I used a couple of them in the game after seeing that they had more attack power than a Panzer III or a new Panzer IV and they turn out to be useless. I move them on the battlefield toward an enemy tank and after it moves the maximum number of squares it's allowed and comes to a stop next to the target I want it to shoot at, it's not facing the correct direction. It may be right next to the target but it will not fire at it because there is NO TURRET.

Things like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elefant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marder_III

Wasted prestige buying them and they did nothing for me. Didn't help me destroy any enemy tanks or artillery and against soft target like troops, even more useless.

Got tired of playing as the Nazis and getting beat by the Commies. I began a new campaign today. Play as the good guys. Big Red One. First mission, Operation Torch.

The F4 Wildcats and Corsairs and TBF Avengers and Catalina PBY fought and operated in North Africa? I am not so sure.



Also the American M3/M4 tanks



and anti-tanks were weak.



2-4 of them fire at the German Panzer IIIH and IIIJ and IV and do only 1 HP total of damage. The Panzers fire back at one of the M3 or M4 and do 5-6 HP of damage and in a couple of turn, even one shot from a Panzer was all it took to kill a M3 or M4 that had 10 full HP.

They also had no range. Range was 1 !! They had to get up next to their target to fire. The Panzers had range of 2 and can fire at the American tanks and anti-tanks and not worry about getting shot back at.

The German artillery with a range of 5-6 and hard target kill of 10-14 HP and soft target kill of 18-23 were killing my infantry units like swatting flies!

I cannot speak tot he accuracy of the game directly, but carrier-based F4Fs, SBDs, and TBF supported the Torch landings in 1942; in 1944, carrier based F6Fs engaged the Luftwaffe over southern France during Operation Dragoon.

The Brits also used land-based Martlets (F4F-4s) with their arresting hooks removed in the Desert Air Force,

The only one that seems out of place to me is the Corsair.

These may help?
Panzer General II Strategy Guide and Play Tips: http://peachmountain.com/5star/PG2_StrategyGuide.asp
Panzer General II – German Long Campaign FAQ: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/198261-panzer-general-ii/faqs/13287
Panzer General 2 tips and tweaks


Wheels

thank you wheelsup_cavu

Brits operated the Corsair as well.

And before anyone says it, no they did NOT teach the US Navy how to operate them from a carrier.

Still playing it. As the American in North Africa, I got beat. The American tanks can't beat the German Panzer III and then IV tanks and Stug anti-tank guns. Also having only so much prestige ($) to buy American air power, I have to pick between having airplanes or having tanks. The Luftwaffe was killing my tanks and troops with their Stukas. The desert terrain limited my unit to move 1-2 square per turn. German had long range guns high up in the mountain that can hit my units from 6 squares away. My guns could only hit them from 3 squares away and the mountain terrain the Germans were dug into limited my gun damage hit point to 1. My B25 and B24 were useless against them too. Drop bombs on them and get 0 damage.

Now playing as the German in 1942, they gave me one experimental unit. What is that thing ? Too weak to take on tanks and other armor. No AA power with it at zero. I think it's a gun but the guns I have right now, towed by troop carrier, have twice the anti-tank and anti-troops power than this thing. So why give me this weak thing if it's a gun?

Superior air power and artillery is how you play the allies.
That looks like an SPG, self propelled artillery. Put it behind your lines to offer support if they get attacked and use it to attack up to 3 hexes away to soften up an enemy. Because it's self propelled you don't have to load and unload it from trucks like other artillery. Just roll, shoot, repeat, profit.

Thanks wormfood.

I think it's this https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/..._GW_Lorraine_Schlepper-f_SdKfz-135-1.php

Japan didn't have many tanks and armor. Maybe that's another reason they lost all those island battles. https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/jap/ww2_IJN_Tanks.php

I just beat the French at Sedan.



They outnumbered me 3 to 1 in ground forces and also had 30+ bunkers with guns and machine guns.

They also outnumbered me 2 to 1 in fighter and bomber aircraft.

I remember reading about the Battle of France and how French had the largest army in the world at the time and more tanks than the Germans had.

Also how French reconnaissance aircraft saw columns of German tanks, trucks, and other vehicles in a traffic jams 150+ miles long near the French border.

The French had the opportunity to send their Air Force and destroy the Germans and possibly end the war right there but they did nothing.

I went looking and found it.

https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/worst-traffic-jam-of-world-war-ii-d9c04431ebae

There was another similar situation like this:

when the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia and the Sudetenland in 1938, they did it with very limited amount of troops and tanks which at the time was most of their combat units. At the same time Germany's Western borders were undefended.

If the British and France had acted then, they could had destroyed the German army and stop World War 2 before it began.

The British and French were defeated in France in 1940 almost entirely due to the superior and innovative tactics used by the Germans. The German officer corps was also simply better prepared and trained.

As you alluded to, the hardware used by the UK and France was just as good or better than what the Germans had during the French campaign.

Don't forget, the German tactics and leadership had plenty of opportunities to make mistakes and gain valuable experience in Poland and Spain.

As for Panzer General 2, bunkers can't move, just go around them.

The French invaded Germany while Germany was occupied in conquering Poland. The French made a dog's breakfast of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive

That is poor command and maybe being lazy! Reminds me of Anzio where the American General Lucas had the element of surprise and a clear road to Rome and he didn't take it. I read that if he took it, the war in Italy would had ended. Instead it became a forgotten long war that lasted another year that didn't end until 1945 when Nazi Germany surrendered. Of all the long battles the Allied fought in Europe, Italy was the bloodiest and costliest.

Chalk this one up to total French ineptitude at the highest political and military levels. There's also no doubt that there was a serious case of "cold feet" from their WWI experiences with failed offensives.

Some of those can shoot at you as soon as I move one of my units from 2-3 squares away.

Finally won enough battles to earn new Tanks.

Some of the new tanks I can buy are these. Never heard of them!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armoured_Vehicle_Royal_Engineers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart%27s_Funnies

Still fighting the Russians. Got a new aircraft. Another German weapon I never heard of. It's experimental so it only gave me one. I can't buy any.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Ta_152



For 2 years now 1943-1944 fighting the Russians, I been using the same BF-109 and BF-110 fighters. Also the same JU-87, JU-88 and HE-111 bombers for the longest time until 2 mission ago, I was given a new BF-110 D fighter bomber.

It was pretty weak against anything including ground troops. Nothing else has been given me during that time. The German seem to not have develop too many new fighters and bombers during the war except toward the end when they were experimenting with jet engines.

I also noticed the Germans had no 4 engine bombers. They seem to prefer 2 engine bombers.

Just curious if you're still playing? I get the bug to fire it up about once a year...started testing some of the new Alderkorps campaigns to see which one I want to try. When I say "new"...I mean the variety of 3rd party campaigns that came out around 2008...lol.

I'm really bummed that Panzercentral went offline.

I stopped playing months ago. Can't win. You win one of dozens of battle in a campaign and you get 200 points. You can't buy anything with that to get more tanks, more airplanes, more troops. Not even enough to replace what you had at the beginning of the last battle and lost them.

Got it. When I play...I crank the prestige modifier to "300" to help with this.

Force10: there is a new community made Panzer General.

http://www.open-general.com/installer-full.php

Extra after installing the full installer

http://www.open-general.com/installer-core.php

http://www.open-general.com/installer-spec.php

screens http://www.open-general.com/screenshots.php

info

http://www.open-general.com/documentation.php

http://luis-guzman.com/OpenGeneral.html

so much better and smarter with updated equipment and not only World War 2 battles, it also contains Gallipoli, Roman and Middle age battles,





and Nazis on the moon campaign.



List of major included campaign

http://www.open-general.com/campaigns.php?oce=&oct=&ocn=&ocp=&oca=&ocs=

forum to ask questions, very active, last posts 12/22

http://forum.open-general.com/index.php?sid=adc293595cf84c6d3b1af5764eb2282f

Will have to download the new version and check it out.


Wheels

The new version is harder than the old one.

Also you don't just find missions under campaign names, there is also a list of creators with different campaign and missions under each one.

I even found one for D-Day and the only thing I have is several landing craft with troops and engineers. No tanks. No aircraft. No ships.

I think there is even one map with Custer getting killed by natives.