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#4503903 - 01/15/20 11:00 PM U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943  
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4503906 - 01/15/20 11:36 PM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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They were built tough back then, that sort of damage would probably sink a modern Arleigh Burke destroyer or at least put it out of action for a year. Birmingham rejoined the fleet after a 3 month refit.


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#4503909 - 01/15/20 11:57 PM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Warships could still succumb to damage very quickly back then however.

Exibit A: the battleship HMS Barnham November 25, 1941.

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#4503914 - 01/16/20 02:03 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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True, but Barnham took 3 torpedoes amidships.


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#4503915 - 01/16/20 02:50 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Exibit A: the battleship HMS Barnham Barham November 25, 1941.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4503920 - 01/16/20 05:27 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Exibit A: the battleship HMS Barnham Barham November 25, 1941.





When that Magazine went, It was over fast when it rolled.


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#4503921 - 01/16/20 09:03 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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The Barham was old at the time of her sinking, launched in 1914, and had an illustrious record in both wars.
Horrible to view, seeing the hapless seamen running down the hull as she rolls and then immolated in the massive explosion as the fire hits her magazines. A surprising number of men survived that conflagration.

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#4503924 - 01/16/20 11:30 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I've seen the Pathe footage of the heavily damaged Barham as she rolled over and then exploded. It's both harrowing and sad to see. What also struck me was the voice and tone of the narrator. It really was the classic "stiff upper lip" stereotype!

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#4503939 - 01/16/20 03:20 PM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: JimK]  
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Originally Posted by JimK
When that Magazine went, It was over fast when it rolled.

It was a steam powered ship, right? I'm no expert, but it looked more like a boiler explosion to me. The initial blast had no fireball, which you'd expect if it was caused by a munitions explosion.


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Originally Posted by vonBaur
Originally Posted by JimK
When that Magazine went, It was over fast when it rolled.

It was a steam powered ship, right? I'm no expert, but it looked more like a boiler explosion to me. The initial blast had no fireball, which you'd expect if it was caused by a munitions explosion.


Main battery magazine, I believe it is speculated that a secondary magazine (4" I think) near where on of the 3 torpedoes but detonated first igniting the main battery magazine.


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#4503956 - 01/16/20 06:15 PM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: vonBaur]  
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Originally Posted by vonBaur
Originally Posted by JimK
When that Magazine went, It was over fast when it rolled.

It was a steam powered ship, right? I'm no expert, but it looked more like a boiler explosion to me. The initial blast had no fireball, which you'd expect if it was caused by a munitions explosion.


The 4" ammo set off the main 15" ammo.

HMS Barham – Survivors Account Of Sinking
https://www.navyhistory.org.au/hms-barham-survivors-account-of-sinking/


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4503998 - 01/17/20 03:42 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I get the official story and all, F4. I'm just saying that that didn't look to me like ammunition going off.


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#4504017 - 01/17/20 10:19 AM Re: U. S. S. BIRMINGHAM (CL62) TORPEDO AND BOMB DAMAGE SOLOMON ISLANDS 8 NOVEMBER, 1943 [Re: vonBaur]  
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Originally Posted by vonBaur
I get the official story and all, F4. I'm just saying that that didn't look to me like ammunition going off.



OK, everyone's perception is different I suppose. To me it doesn't look like a boiler going.


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