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#4501930 - 12/30/19 01:33 PM Movies you are confident will never be exceeded  
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To be more specific, I am talking about movies from certain genres and topics that you feel are just so perfect that you really can't see how any future film based on the same topic could be better. Here are a few examples from me:


1. Topic: The Arthurian legends.

Film: Excalibur (1981)

A stellar cast, a brilliant choice in music that fit in perfectly with the setting, unique and stunning visuals and a perfect balance in tone between the dark serious stuff and the occasional comedic beat.


2. Topic: WW2 naval warfare

Film: Das Boot

3. Topic: 18th century/early 19th century "Age of Sail" naval warfare

Film: Master & Commander

4. Topic: Modern era naval warfare (post WW2)

Film: Hunt for Red October

5. Topic: WWI aviaton

Film: The Blue Max

6. Genre: Cyberpunk

Film: Blade Runner


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I would add to Excalibur's accolades that it was the most accurate to Mallory's stories that I've seen. And on that subject...

Most faithful to the book:
The Three Musketeers and The Four Musketeers from the mid 70's (staying true to the novel required two movies)


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Ah, but WHICH version of Das Boot?
The TV mini series, the cinema adaptation, the Director's cut, the new TV series remake?

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Originally Posted by Ssnake
Ah, but WHICH version of Das Boot?
The TV mini series, the cinema adaptation, the Director's cut, the new TV series remake?


I had the Director's Cut in mind but you raise a valid question!


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I had to look, I've got "The Director's Cut"...

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Blade Runner has already been exceeded by Altered Carbon. Might not be a movie, but a short series, but the point remains.


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Originally Posted by Raw Kryptonite
Blade Runner has already been exceeded by Altered Carbon. Might not be a movie, but a short series, but the point remains.



AC is a very good series but at an emotional level it just hasn't stuck to me like Blade Runner has.


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Die Hard. So often imitated, never once duplicated!

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Die Hard. So often imitated, never once duplicated!



Yeah, when it comes to the straight-up action movie genre I'd say the original Die Hard is very tough to beat. Everything about that movie was just perfection.


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+ 1 on Die Hard. Besides the Bad Santas, my favortie Christmas movie. The family-friendly Christmas Vacation and A Christmas Story are great too (I have a dog named Ralphie and a Red Ryder BB Gun).

I'll say WarGames (1983), also in my above pic. I think my first home movie experience (in 1984), wife had it for Betamax and it's still one of her all-time favorite movies.

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Lots of great picks, Panzer!

I especially agree with Master and Commander, Das Boot and has been ages since I've seen Excalibur, but it sure was cool.

So I assume this might mean films that can't or shouldn't ever be remade because the original film was perfect:

1) Sci-fi Horror
"Alien" / "Aliens"

The latter, Aliens, is more perfect than even its predecessor. The writing is soooooooo tight and the special effects, pacing and scripting are flawless, even 30 years later.


2) Sci-fi Space Opera
"The Fifth Element"

Like the movie's namesake, the film is perfect. No other film in history has such brilliant transitions between scenes.


3) Ultra-realistic Contemplative Sci-fi
"2001: A Space Odyssey"

Arthur C. Clarke + Stanley Kubrick can be surpassed? Please. Don't even try. Honorable mention: Interstellar. Unlike 2001, though, Interstellar violated its own universal constraints with rockets to blast off from planets and magic anti-gravity drives on small craft, later in the film, among many other issues.

4) Sci-fi Chronoshifted Social Commentary
"Total Recall"

Rare is a film that mixes multi-layering plus social commentary as well as Total Recall does. But that's Paul Verhoeven. He's a genius and pulls this off in other films such as...

5) Not another Sci-fi action movie
"Starship Troopers"

Based on Sci-fi great's novel, Robert Heinlein, Verhoeven takes the material and adds his own political undertones, brilliantly. If you saw this film and thought it was an action movie, then you missed the point.

6) Crime fantasy Drama
"Scarface."

The movie is like watching candy. 3.5 hours whisk by and you feel fresh and energized after this masterpiece. Brian De Palma delivers, as always.

7) Hitchcockian Noir
"Body Double"

De Palma delivers, again. He takes Hitchcock, and adds his own style.
Honorable mention: Dressed to Kill

8) Mystery/Thriller
"Rear Window"

Hitchcock + Jimmy Stewart? What couldn't go right? Classic perfection.


9) Crime
"The Godfather."

Do I really need to explain why? Like Scarface, this movie is like watching candy. The 7 hour combined version is even better.


10) War meets Literature
"Apocalypse Now"

Francis Ford Coppola + Joseph Conrad's "The Heart of Darkness" + one iconic line from Robert Duvall. I love the smell of napalm in the morning, but this film takes war movies and melts the stereotype, giving us something unique.



Don't ever remake any of these films. Yeah, I listed a lot of sci-fi, but sci-fi is my favorite genre by far and we have far too few films in this genre to watch.

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2001: A Space Odyssey. The grandfather of great sci-fi films.

Casablanca. Has there ever been such perfect actor and actress pairing like Bogart and Bergman.

Hollywood likes to remake everything now but I think the reason Casablanca hasn't been remade or rebooted is because even Hollywood knows this is one movie you can't touch!

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Lethal Weapon...best buddy cop movie. Also a Christmas movie. wink


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For those of us who are old enough to remember the Cold War, films like "WarGames" and "Hunt for Red October" will always have a special bit of nostalgia and I would also be interested in seeing the reaction to those movies by people who are college aged or younger now. I wonder if they would be able to connect with those movies without ever having lived during those times?


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Das Boot - WW2 naval warfare: for the version, I'll keep it simple and stick with the theatrical release that I saw in U.S. theaters.

The Hunt for Red October - techno-thriller.

Man on Fire - directed by Tony Scott - revenge movie.

E.T. - Sci-Fi-Fantasy

Aliens - SciFi Horror - a tough call because Alien (original) will never be exceeded on a purely artistic level, but Aliens should get points for pure entertainment that should not be discounted (Bill Paxton's character).


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Point on Alien / Aliens. I've always maintained these are one movie... as in knock the credits off Alien, splice in Aliens and you'd hardly notice they are 2 movies they blend that well storywise / logically.

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Originally Posted by Khai
Point on Alien / Aliens. I've always maintained these are one movie... as in knock the credits off Alien, splice in Aliens and you'd hardly notice they are 2 movies they blend that well storywise / logically.



This makes a lot of sense to me. The only thing separating the two films is Ripley's 57 years in cryo-sleep but we don't miss much there as the audience.


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Taken within the context of the entire Infinity Saga then there's no contest: Avengers Endgame.

But I don't think I'd put Endgame up there as a stand alone movie.

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Speaking of Blade Runner, the game is on GOG now. I still have this thing, it came on 4 cd's. LOL
It runs parallel to the movie IIRC.
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I had that game. I ran it on a Pentium 60 computer and played in VGA.

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