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#4501126 - 12/21/19 12:35 PM Boeing’s Annus Horribilis  
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Boeing can't catch a break, and maybe doesn't deserve one.

Boeing crew capsule falters after launch from Cape Canaveral


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Boeing’s Starliner crew capsule flew into the wrong orbit soon after lifting off from Cape Canaveral on an unpiloted demonstration flight Friday morning, burning too much fuel and precluding the new commercial spaceship from docking with the International Space Station.


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A 40-second burn by four of the Starliner’s orbital maneuvering and attitude control engines was planned around 31 minutes into the mission. The maneuver was programmed to raise the low point, or perigee, of the Starliner’s orbit above the atmosphere, preventing the capsule from plunging back to Earth before completing a single 90-minute lap around the planet.

But a mission clock on-board the spacecraft apparently had a wrong setting, leading the ship to mistakenly believe it was operating in a different phase of its mission.

“Once the vehicle thought it was at a different time in the mission — being autonomous, a lot of this runs on a timer — it began to do burns and attitude control,” said Jim Chilton, senior vice president of Boeing’s space and launch division.

According to Bridenstine, the spacecraft consumed more propellant than anticipated as it errantly fired its control thrusters. A joint team of NASA and Boeing flight controllers in Houston noticed the problem and tried to intervene, but the Starliner did not receive their manual commands to perform the orbit insertion burn in time.

“By the time we were able to get signals up to actually command it to do the orbital insertion burn, it was a bit too late,” Bridenstine said.


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Yesterday I heard that the 737 MAX won't fly again until June.

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Yesterday I heard that the 737 MAX won't fly again until June.



True, and they stopped production on them now to after making 400 more.


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#4501151 - 12/21/19 06:36 PM Re: Boeing’s Annus Horribilis [Re: F4UDash4]  
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wasn't there a similar timer glitch on one of the Apollo missions?


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And on the topic of timing ... I bought a good amount of Boeing at $355 thinking that they would have the problem solved somewhat quickly. My timing was off. Should have bought it in the $322 orbit.


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I think the fundamental problem is that Boeing and Airbus have a near total monopoly on the civilian airliner market. That's not an ideal situation by any means.


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I don't think the problem Boeing had with their Starliner is a major issue, but it certainly isn't good PR, and when you consider that they have had more money to develop it than SpaceX and are behind them in schedule and, apparently, functionality, it is even worse. Throw in the 737 MAX problems and Boeing is not having a good year.

Edit: and now there's this:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/boeing-ceo-dennis-muilenburg-fired-143000499--abc-news-money.html

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I think the fundamental problem is that Boeing and Airbus have a near total monopoly on the civilian airliner market. That's not an ideal situation by any means.

I agree, but I can't help but notice that this kind of market concentration seems to be the case whenever you have an industry that is heavily regulated and at the same time extremely capital intensive. How many oil companies existed in the 1970s, how many today? How many independent car brands were there 1940, how many will still be there in 2040?
If you want to preserve a manufacturer for commercial airliners with medium and long range you either need a lot of subsidies or a lot of protectionist measures, both of which are incompatible with WTO principles. But you have to be a WTO member, minimum, to be able to see such commercial airliners to, well, airlines.

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Every time I see photos of 737 MAX parked together, I think:

I want one! Give me one! You have so many!

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I realize I may be reading too much into this, but I remember being concerned when Boeing announced it was moving its headquarters from Seattle to Chicago.
Suddenly the higher ups were 1700 miles away from their aircraft production center. How could they not become somewhat isolated from what is happening so far away?

They might as well be selling widgets at that point. Boeing has gone from being an aircraft company run by passionate aviation advocates to another corporation with top floor executives pushing a product manufactured in some factory thousands of miles away.

Boeing execs likely spend much more time following quarterly earnings than staying informed on what the plant manager, whose first name they would have known in the past, is dealing with on a daily basis. Are most of Boeing's engineers in Chicago or Seattle?
In my opinion Boeing's executive became more interested in quarterly sales margins than in the safety of the flying public. A corporate culture like that is likely to permeate many levels. The 737 fiasco exposed that corporate culture and showed the damage it can incur. Clearly they pushed sales as a priority over safety.
In congressional testimony earlier this month:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/poli...gher-crash-risk-faa-concluded/index.html
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Whistleblowers at the hearing also raised concerns about the culture at Boeing and the FAA.

One of the whistleblowers, Ed Pierson, is a former Boeing employee who worked on the 737 MAX program and said he urged managers to shut down the production line because of mistakes and cut corners, but that his recommendations fell on deaf ears.
He said pressure to produce planes and issues with obtaining parts meant the employees assembling the planes were overworked and at risk of making mistakes.
"I formally warned Boeing leadership in writing on multiple occasions -- specifically, once before the Lion Air crash and again before the Ethiopian Airlines crash about potential airplane risk due to the unstable operating environment within the factory," he said. "Those warnings were ignored."


The Air Force initially refused to accept its first Boeing KC-46A tankers:

Air Force Halts Tanker Deliveries After Finding Planes Are Full of Trash

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The Seattle Times reported late last week the Air Force had discovered unwanted tools, bits of debris, and other garbage in various locations of KC-46A tankers. According to the Times, Air Force pilots at Boeing for training refused to fly the aircraft as a result, citing safety concerns. “This is a big deal," a Boeing memo was quoted as saying.


That does not mean that the same culture exists in the Starliner program, but I would say that Boeing does not deserve the benefit of the doubt at this time. There should be no doubt.


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Originally Posted by Docjonel
I realize I may be reading too much into this, but I remember being concerned when Boeing announced it was moving its headquarters from Seattle to Chicago.
Suddenly the higher ups were 1700 miles away from their aircraft production center. How could they not become somewhat isolated from what is happening so far away?

They might as well be selling widgets at that point. Boeing has gone from being an aircraft company run by passionate aviation advocates to another corporation with top floor executives pushing a product manufactured in some factory thousands of miles away.

Boeing execs likely spend much more time following quarterly earnings than staying informed on what the plant manager, whose first name they would have known in the past, is dealing with on a daily basis. Are most of Boeing's engineers in Chicago or Seattle?
In my opinion Boeing's executive became more interested in quarterly sales margins than in the safety of the flying public. A corporate culture like that is likely to permeate many levels. The 737 fiasco exposed that corporate culture and showed the damage it can incur. Clearly they pushed sales as a priority over safety.
In congressional testimony earlier this month:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/poli...gher-crash-risk-faa-concluded/index.html
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Whistleblowers at the hearing also raised concerns about the culture at Boeing and the FAA.

One of the whistleblowers, Ed Pierson, is a former Boeing employee who worked on the 737 MAX program and said he urged managers to shut down the production line because of mistakes and cut corners, but that his recommendations fell on deaf ears.
He said pressure to produce planes and issues with obtaining parts meant the employees assembling the planes were overworked and at risk of making mistakes.
"I formally warned Boeing leadership in writing on multiple occasions -- specifically, once before the Lion Air crash and again before the Ethiopian Airlines crash about potential airplane risk due to the unstable operating environment within the factory," he said. "Those warnings were ignored."


The Air Force initially refused to accept its first Boeing KC-46A tankers:

Air Force Halts Tanker Deliveries After Finding Planes Are Full of Trash

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The Seattle Times reported late last week the Air Force had discovered unwanted tools, bits of debris, and other garbage in various locations of KC-46A tankers. According to the Times, Air Force pilots at Boeing for training refused to fly the aircraft as a result, citing safety concerns. “This is a big deal," a Boeing memo was quoted as saying.


That does not mean that the same culture exists in the Starliner program, but I would say that Boeing does not deserve the benefit of the doubt at this time. There should be no doubt.


This. The very problem is that the admins have forgotten they are working in a security-critical business. The widgets they sell are potentially deadly for hundreds of people at a time, so they’d better work! Boeing’s company culture seems to have deteriorated gradually since the merger with McD. The last proper plane Boeing made was the 777 in the 90s, when they actually went out and asked the airlines what they wanted in a long-range twin jet. It resulted inwhat is undoubtedly the best intercontinental passenger jet on the market. And now look at Boeing. They can’t even deliver a tanker derived from a 40-year-old design of their own without severe quality control issues. Shame, really.


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Part of the problem is that the FAA needs to be reformed to take a deeper and more critical look at the planes it is certifying.

Right now Boeing has two new models in the works, based on old planes:
The 777-9 and 737 MAX-10.

Both of these needs to be vetted in a whole new way, given the revelations about Boeings practices with the MAX-8. Nothing that comes from Boeing in the form of documentation can be trusted right now.

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Here's a good article that details how the McDonnell Douglas takeover resulted in MD's execrable business practices and attitudes subverting Boeing's successful engineering focused tradition. It also points to the separation of Boeing's executives from its production line, ie. the move from Seattle to Chicago, as part of that process that led to Boeing losing its way.

The Long-Forgotten Flight That Sent Boeing Off Course

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“If in fact there’s a reverse takeover, with the McDonnell ethos permeating Boeing, then Boeing is doomed to mediocrity,” the business scholar Jim Collins told me back in 2000. “There’s one thing that made Boeing really great all the way along. They always understood that they were an engineering-driven company, not a financially driven company . If they’re no longer honoring that as their central mission, then over time they’ll just become another company.”

It’s now clear that long before the software lost track of its planes’ true bearings, Boeing lost track of its own.


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Starliner faced “catastrophic” failure before software bug found


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At Thursday's meeting, Hill revealed the second issue related to software and thruster performance publicly for the first time.

However, as part of reporting on a story about Starliner software and thruster issues three weeks ago, a source told Ars about this particular problem. According to the source, Boeing patched a software code error just two hours before the vehicle reentered Earth's atmosphere. Had the error not been caught, the source said, proper thrusters would not open during the reentry process, and the vehicle would have been lost.


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So do the aviation experts members here think the 737 MAX will fly again and will folks get on them? After all if the 737 MAX flies again and folks needs to travel and there are no other flights with a different aircraft, those folks will have to get on.

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I think that they are finding more and more MAX issues is actually a good sign. It's a sign that the responsible persons at Boeing have woken up and are beginning to take matters seriously. With a bit of luck, the fact that the old management took so long to recognize it as the life-threatening situation for the whole company that it is, it will also discredit the management culture around it that lead to the whole disaster. Okay, that part is the incurable optimist in me speaking.

Personally, I'm more concerned about the CFC body of the 787 and its long-term durability since it's harder to detect faults in laminated CFC parts than the established X-ray diagnosis of aluminum I avoid 787 flights if I can, it simply sounds like an unnecessary risk to me. If there are no serious accidents within the next 10...15 years, I may change my mind. The problems of material degeneration won't surface before then.

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A new take on the old slogan: "If it's Boeing, I'm not going."
Doesn't apply to the older designs, but the newer ones do seem to be pushing 'something' (cost savings?) at the expense of being a decent safe aircraft.

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Originally Posted by FlyingToaster
A new take on the old slogan: "If it's Boeing, I'm not going."
Doesn't apply to the older designs, but the newer ones do seem to be pushing 'something' (cost savings?) at the expense of being a decent safe aircraft.


Really? I have a friend who will not get on any Airbus. He will only fly on Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed.

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A new take on the old slogan: "If it's Boeing, I'm not going."
Doesn't apply to the older designs, but the newer ones do seem to be pushing 'something' (cost savings?) at the expense of being a decent safe aircraft.


«If it’s a MAX, I’m not a pax» seems to be a new one.

I agree that Boeing management since the MD merger has turned a world-beating company into a top-heavy playground for the suits in Chicago, BUT...

..the Lion Air accident report is chilling reading. It is a doozy at 322 pages, but the section on CRM and actions in the cockpit from page 182 onwards is interesting and chilling reading. Essentially, the first officer didn’t know his memory items, which are mandatory knowledge and essential for prompt and correct actions in case of any of the failures requiring them. Control was handed back and forth several times. When the FO had the controls and the MCAS system trimmed nose down, he compensated by a little nose-up trim, but not enough. So every time he trimmed a unit or two nose up and released the switches, MCAS would trim three units nose down, until speed, stick forces and nose down movement became too much to overcome.

(I have 4000 or so hours on the 737)

In the Ethiopian case, the first officer was almost straight out of flight school, with I believe less than 300 hours’ total time in airplanes. The captain was 28, I believe, wih quite a few hours, but hours can be just logbook filler. That plane impacted the ground at more than 400 kts with the thrust levers firewalled. With a fresh FO, a failure such as MCAS that provides nose-down trim and increasing stick forces, possibly combined with unreliable airspeed leaves a captain flying essentially by himself. It is a very confusing chain of events requiring a cool head and a RETURN TO BASIC STICK AND RUDDER FLYING! My pet peeve in aviation today is the emerging complete lack of focus on the basics, and what this leads to is found at the bottom of a smoking hole in Ethiopia, buried in the seabed off Indonesia, just short of the runway at SFO, and so on. Many flight schools don’t even teach their students spins. These people, who have never banked at more than 60 degrees, never been inverted, never really flown by the seat of their pants, are finding themselves in the left and right seats of airliner cockpits in increasing numbers, and it is frankly scary.

This video was made in the mid-90s, but it is possibly even more relevant today. It is a lecture by a training captain at AA, and it is an industry classic.





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(I have 4000 or so hours on the 737)

In the Ethiopian case, the first officer was almost straight out of flight school, with I believe less than 300 hours’ total time in airplanes. The captain was 28, I believe, wih quite a few hours, but hours can be just logbook filler. That plane impacted the ground at more than 400 kts with the thrust levers firewalled. With a fresh FO, a failure such as MCAS that provides nose-down trim and increasing stick forces, possibly combined with unreliable airspeed leaves a captain flying essentially by himself. It is a very confusing chain of events requiring a cool head and a RETURN TO BASIC STICK AND RUDDER FLYING! My pet peeve in aviation today is the emerging complete lack of focus on the basics, and what this leads to is found at the bottom of a smoking hole in Ethiopia, buried in the seabed off Indonesia, just short of the runway at SFO, and so on. Many flight schools don’t even teach their students spins. These people, who have never banked at more than 60 degrees, never been inverted, never really flown by the seat of their pants, are finding themselves in the left and right seats of airliner cockpits in increasing numbers, and it is frankly scary.



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Yep, the airlines ain’t no retirement home these days! Headbutting the limit of 900 hours almost every year.


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"When comparing the selection rationale for the 2014 commercial crew contracts with the rationale for the recent Gateway logistics contract, the perception of Boeing's offering could not be more stark. In 2014, Boeing was very much perceived as the gold-standard—expensive, yes, but also technically masterful. In 2020, the company was still perceived as expensive but not ultimately worthy of consideration.

The 2014 crew contract analysis, authored by NASA's then-chief of human spaceflight, William Gerstenmaier, frequently lauds Boeing for its technical and management expertise. "This is a very comprehensive, credible plan," Gerstenmaier wrote. He described their earlier work in the commercial crew program as "excellent and effective," while providing "high quality products with sufficient detail."

In the analysis, which compared Boeing to SpaceX and the third competitor in the crew program, Sierra Nevada, Boeing received the highest marks. "Boeing's proposal had the highest overall Mission Suitability score and the highest adjectival ratings of Excellent for each of the two most heavily weighted subfactors, Technical and Management," Gerstenmaier wrote. "I agree with this assessment." In the final crew development awards, Boeing received $4.2 billion from NASA, and SpaceX $2.6 billion—reflecting Boeing's much higher costs at the time.

Six years later, the perception of Boeing's bid for the lunar cargo contract is much changed. Of the four contenders, it had the lowest overall technical and mission suitability scores. In addition, Boeing's proposal was characterized as "inaccurate" and possessing no "significant strengths." Boeing also was cited with a "significant weakness" in its proposal for pushing back on providing its software source code.

Due to its high price and ill-suited proposal for the lunar cargo contract, NASA didn't even consider the proposal among the final bidders. In his assessment late last year, NASA's acting chief of human spaceflight, Ken Bowersox, wrote, "Since Boeing’s proposal was the highest priced and the lowest rated under the Mission Suitability factor, while additionally providing a conditional fixed price, I have decided to eliminate Boeing from further award consideration.""


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Ouch, how the mighty have fallen.
How are those next quarter's profits you've prioritized over every thing else looking now, Boeing management?
Let all of you be held up as the example of how NOT to run a company in every business school in the world. Sure, you'll come out financially wealthy, but I hope your reputations are in tatters and remain that way.


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In the USA so far.....not sure if any other country has cleared it to fly yet. Canada certainly has not. Transport Canada has said they are implementing safety measures and training on top of what the FAA authorised.

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I won't go on one of those. I hope those travelers get to Miami safely https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...ing-max-flight-almost-two-years-n1252452

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The Seattle Times reports the FAA has denied Boeing's request to move on to certification of its new 777X jet.
Citing a serious flight test incide...y, FAA slows Boeing 777X certification




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In a sternly worded letter dated May 13, which was reviewed by The Seattle Times, the FAA warned Boeing it may have to increase the number of test flights planned and that certification realistically is now more than two years out, probably in late 2023.

That could push the jet’s entry into commercial service into early 2024, four years later than originally planned.

The FAA cited a long litany of concerns, including a serious flight control incident during a test flight on Dec. 8, 2020, when the plane experienced an “uncommanded pitch event” — meaning the nose of the aircraft pitched abruptly up or down without input from the pilots.

Boeing has yet to satisfy the FAA that it has fully understood and corrected what went wrong that day.



Man, has Boeing management really changed the way they operate, or is this more of the same?
After the 737 Max fiasco, the Air Force KC-46 A tanker fiasco, the Starliner fiasco, now this.
Boeing's sad state of affairs is brought home by the following excerpt from the Seattle Times story,

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The FAA official said that even if the MAX crashes hadn’t happened, the list of serious issues now raised about the 777X would merit rigorous regulatory attention.

Within the FAA, the person said, “there’s a general feeling that Boeing has kind of lost a step,” referring to the slide away from a historic reputation for engineering prowess.

And because of all the missteps, the official added, “the days of Boeing being able to say to the FAA ‘Just trust us’ are long gone.”


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It started with moving the suits away from where the actual money is made, and not just across the street. All the way to Chicago. It is akin to a doctor removing his finger from a patient’s pulse. Always a bad move by any big company. They also seem to have gotten fat and happy, and started looking for cheap solutions, building down to a price instead of up to a specification. It is horrible to watch. Bill Allen and Joe Sutter must be turning in their graves.


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Turns out it wasn't one sticky valve in the propulsion system that delayed Starliner's launch, but THIRTEEN.

Boeing Advances Starliner Solutions in the Vertical Integration Facility


https://twitter.com/BoeingSpace/status/1424738066854522894

That's an awful lot of malfunctioning hardware for a vehicle that was supposedly ready to launch.

No wonder their chief astronaut, who was scheduled to fly this craft, suddenly retired earlier this year citing "personal reasons." I'm guessing one of those personal reasons could have been that he didn't want to done get blowed up.


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Boeing’s troubled Starliner spacecraft must return to factory, causing more delays

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Be that this decade or the next.


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Tequila Bottles Found on New Boeing Air Force One Jet

The good news never stops for Boeing.
So many more questions than answers after reading this article.


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Resurrecting this old thread because of some recent Boeing news.

First, more issues with Starliner, and the next flight is delayed indefinitely. CEO says they are still dedicated to it, but some estimates say they're spending at least $900,000,000 to fix stuff, which has to impact the bottom line.

https://spacenews.com/boeing-ceo-says-company-still-committed-to-starliner/

And the T-7A is making progress, but is years behind (as most programs like this are), and with fixed-price model, Boeing has lost 1.1b on it so far, and it's impacting USAF pilot training.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/t-7a-red-hawk-completes-182327890.html


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not boing but https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65676421 <<Airbus experiments with more control for the autopilot

yeesh......as if most crashs they blame on pilot isnt the fault of auto pilot taking control from them already...next time i visit europe im paddling all the way.

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Boeing has now lost $1.1 billion on Starliner, with no crew flight in sight


"A difficult summer for the Starliner program continued this week, with Boeing reporting additional losses on the vehicle's development and NASA saying it's too early to discuss potential launch dates for the crewed spacecraft.

Throughout this spring, NASA and Boeing had been working toward a July launch date of the spacecraft, which will carry two astronauts for the first time. However, just weeks before this launch was due to occur, Boeing announced on June 1 that there were two serious issues with Starliner. One of these involved the "soft links" in the lines that connect the Starliner capsule to its parachutes, and the second problem came with hundreds of feet of P-213 glass cloth tape inside the spacecraft found to be flammable."


Has no one on the Boeing team ever heard of the APOLLO ONE FIRE?

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Originally Posted by Arthonon
Resurrecting this old thread because of some recent Boeing news.

First, more issues with Starliner, and the next flight is delayed indefinitely. CEO says they are still dedicated to it, but some estimates say they're spending at least $900,000,000 to fix stuff, which has to impact the bottom line.

https://spacenews.com/boeing-ceo-says-company-still-committed-to-starliner/

And the T-7A is making progress, but is years behind (as most programs like this are), and with fixed-price model, Boeing has lost 1.1b on it so far, and it's impacting USAF pilot training.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/t-7a-red-hawk-completes-182327890.html

Not to mention the KC-46 ... *

Boeing has said that it will stop building Hornets by/in 2025.


* p.s. I see that Canada has now ordered a mix of 9 new build/used airframe Airbus A330 MRTTs to replace & expand on it's existing A310s (CC150)


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Boeing Dreamlifter lifting off at Oshkosh 2023,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTM23yqT6Hg

Dreamlifter at Oshkosh 2023 with ugly Super Guppy plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUGlmoZHVZw

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Boeing Dreamlifter lifting off at Oshkosh 2023,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTM23yqT6Hg

Dreamlifter at Oshkosh 2023 with ugly Super Guppy plane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUGlmoZHVZw



Which has precisely ZILCH to do with the subject but thanks for playing.


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Boeing asks airlines to inspect 737 Max jets for potential loose bolt

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...s-news-inspected-loose-bolt/72056314007/

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"loose bolt in the rudder control system" "Boeing also discovered a nut that was not properly tightened in an aircraft that had not yet been delivered, according to the FAA."
wow......

""Out of an abundance of caution, we are recommending operators inspect their 737 Max airplanes and inform us of any findings."
caution, its your job to deliver those things, now planes are getting patches too ?

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You just gotta know that behind closed doors, Airbus execs are relishing this.


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And now this...

Alaska Airlines grounds Boeing 737-9 fleet after emergency landing in Portland
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/ne...n-portland/ar-AA1mxEFp?OCID=ansmsnnews11

The cabin became depressurized shortly after takeoff and the pilots asked for an emergency landing, according to the transcript of an air traffic control call from LiveATC.net. A photo posted on social media appeared to show a hole in the fuselage next to a passenger seat.




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Scary, but is that window blowout a problem with the Boeing aircraft, or bad maintenance procedures on the airline company?

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I read it blew out where there's a fake door.

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would it really cost that much to leave the door in there ?

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Originally Posted by wormfood
Scary, but is that window blowout a problem with the Boeing aircraft, or bad maintenance procedures on the airline company?


That's the question investigators will try to answer, but given the fact that it is a pretty new airplane (started flying in October, so no major base maintenance checks to be done on it yet) it might be an assembly issue at Boeing's, with this particular airframe at least.

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being that they forgot to bolt some part and were begging companies to check it and tell them.........yeah......assembly at boeing is lowering standarts.

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American Airlines has found several loose bolts on the doors in inspections https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/08/united-airlines-737-max-9-inspections-turn-up-loose-bolts.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

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Boeing hires contractors for over half their workforce...

Bolts not tightened on doors:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/a...ata-erased-after-mid-flight-door-blowout




Employee benefits are too expensive for this megacorporation to afford.

I say airlines cannot afford to buy their planes anymore.

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Seen on Facebook regarding Boeing: "When one door closes, another one opens!"

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Boeing hires contractors for over half their workforce...

Bolts not tightened on doors:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/a...ata-erased-after-mid-flight-door-blowout




Employee benefits are too expensive for this megacorporation to afford.

I say airlines cannot afford to buy their planes anymore.


The irony here is that a huge chunk of the workforce for the US government is also contractors so the government calling out Boeing on this is the pot calling the kettle black.


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Boeing doesn't make engines so this one might not be their fault. We'll see when we find out what caused it.

Good to hear it landed safely though.

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United flight Boeing 757-200 headed to Boston from San Francisco forced to make emergency landing in Denver due to damaged wing.


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is the wing made of plywood ?

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Originally Posted by ArgonV
Bird strike?


without blood ?

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Delamination of the composite material, looks like.


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Didn't want to start a thread.

Are these airplanes safe to fly on?

First part:

Airbus A321 or Boeing 739

Second part:

CRJ900 or ERJ135 or EMB135XR

Thank you.

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I can't even fathom the stress the Boeing employees who are devising this new quality control plan are going through right now!

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/28/faa-gives-boeing-90-days-for-quality-control-on-737-max.html


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Happen again today with another Boeing

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A tire fell off a United Airlines plane taking off from San Francisco International Airport Thursday morning and landed in a nearby parking lot, damaging several vehicles, officials said.

The tire from Japan-bound United Flight 35, which was diverted to Los Angeles, ended up landing in an airport employee parking lot, SFO spokesman Doug Yakel said. No injuries were reported.

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Boeing whistleblower found dead in apparent suicide

"A prominent Boeing whistleblower who reported on safety and quality control concerns in the company’s production line was found dead on Saturday, according to South Carolina authorities.

John Barnett, 62, died of an apparent self-inflicted wound on Friday, the Charleston County Coroner’s office said. He was found in his truck at his hotel’s parking lot.

A 32-year veteran of Boeing, Barnett’s 2019 whistleblower allegations claimed that over-worked employees at its South Carolina plant frequently fitted substandard parts on planes and reported faulty oxygen systems that could result in as many as one in four oxygen masks not operating properly.

Boeing denied Barnett’s claims, but a follow-up FAA investigation lent credence to some aspects of his allegations. A report found that over 50 “non-conforming” parts were unable to be traced and were lost in the company’s system.

Barnett was in Charleston to be questioned for a long-running retaliation suit against the company.

His death comes when Boeing is under increased regulatory scrutiny for its 737 Max aircraft manufacturing process after a door blew out of a flight midair in January. The incident launched a widespread investigation into Boeing manufacturing, discovering lax quality control.

Barnett’s claims were not related to the 737 Max or the Washington manufacturing plant involved in the scandal.

In a statement to the BBC, Boeing said: “We are saddened by Mr. Barnett’s passing, and our thoughts are with his family and friends.”"


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It just keeps getting worse and worse for Boeing. They are starting to enter ENRON bad PR territory now.


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3rd accident in same 30 days involving a United airline aircraft and a Boeing


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Shouldn't we be looking into the maintenance standards of these airline companies for most of these?
How often do wheels fall off of airliners anyway? I've seen stories of those popping up for years. What's weird is the frequency of late.

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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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Boeing whistleblower found dead in apparent suicide

"A prominent Boeing whistleblower who reported on safety and quality control concerns in the company’s production line was found dead on Saturday, according to South Carolina authorities.

John Barnett, 62, died of an apparent self-inflicted wound on Friday, the Charleston County Coroner’s office said. He was found in his truck at his hotel’s parking lot.

A 32-year veteran of Boeing, Barnett’s 2019 whistleblower allegations claimed that over-worked employees at its South Carolina plant frequently fitted substandard parts on planes and reported faulty oxygen systems that could result in as many as one in four oxygen masks not operating properly.

Boeing denied Barnett’s claims, but a follow-up FAA investigation lent credence to some aspects of his allegations. A report found that over 50 “non-conforming” parts were unable to be traced and were lost in the company’s system.

Barnett was in Charleston to be questioned for a long-running retaliation suit against the company.

His death comes when Boeing is under increased regulatory scrutiny for its 737 Max aircraft manufacturing process after a door blew out of a flight midair in January. The incident launched a widespread investigation into Boeing manufacturing, discovering lax quality control.

Barnett’s claims were not related to the 737 Max or the Washington manufacturing plant involved in the scandal.

In a statement to the BBC, Boeing said: “We are saddened by Mr. Barnett’s passing, and our thoughts are with his family and friends.”"



"Found of apparent suicide with two shots to the back of his head, and the gun has not been found..."

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman

"Found of apparent suicide with two shots to the back of his head, and the gun has not been found..."





Ah I see. This guy must have committed the Jeffrey Epstein-style of suicide....


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You forgot the quotes around suicide. wink

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Let's not jump to any unfounded conclusions.


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Huh, I didn't know the Clintons had connections to Boeing...


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Not to defend Boeing’s wrongdoings over the years which have led to them becoming a shadow of their former selves, but this sounds like something that could happen to any plane from any manufacturer. If a plane loses a wheel, such as the United 777 the other day, the media will automatically go «OMG ANOTHER BOEING! BOEING DANGEROUS!» while the reality is that something like actuators moving slow because they are cold-soaked are independent of manufacturers, and wheels falling off are a maintenance lapse, not a production defect from the factory.

737s of all types and ages have for example had problems with deicing fluid entering the elevator feel pitot tubes, making the plane believe it is flying faster, and thus reducing hydraulic pressure to the elevators. This results in very heavy elevators even at low speeds, because the feel system thinks you’re at high speed. I have experienced this myself. Airbus 320s and 330s have had AoA probes freeze, resulting in uncommanded pitchdowns even with full aft sidestick input, since the flight control software thinks the plane is constantly pitching up. Then there's the whole ATR42/72 frozen elevator issue, and so on. Around 350 A320Neos with the GE geared turbofan engines will be grounded anually on a rolling basis from now until at least 2026 while engine issues are fixed. A350s have had issues of engine shutdowns in flight because of coffee spills on the centre console! And so on, and so on.

Again, not to defend Boeing, which is in a self-caused indefensible position these days, but if the media was to report everything Avherald writes about on a daily basis, the newspapers wouldn’t have room for anything else.


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Another United Airlines Boeing with mechanical problem . 6th in last month.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifesty...urns-midflight-maintenance-issue-reports

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Not an unfounded conclusion, in fact, an admission that THIS WAS NOT SUICIDE by the man who "suicided" himself to a friend:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/1bf9cnm/if_anything_happens_its_not_suicide_boeing/


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I never want you on my jury. That is hardly undeniable proof.

It's not beyond imagination for a suicidal person to tell people "if something happens its not suicide". Suicidal people aren't rational.

And I am not ruling out foul play, I'm just not jumping to any conclusions. I want facts. It's the engineer in me.


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"Found of apparent suicide with two shots to the back of his head, and the gun has not been found..."



I'd say this is pretty convincing evidence if it turns out to be verified. Only time will tell of course.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
"Found of apparent suicide with two shots to the back of his head, and the gun has not been found..."



I'd say this is pretty convincing evidence if it turns out to be verified. Only time will tell of course.



That was Blastmans attempt at satire. No such actual announcement by the investigators exists.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4

I'd say this is pretty convincing evidence if it turns out to be verified. Only time will tell of course.



That was Blastmans attempt at satire. No such actual announcement by the investigators exists.[/quote]


Yes, I actually caught my mistake when I read the news link that you posted. That's what I get for taking Blastman at his word. I blame him! biggrin


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4




That was Blastmans attempt at satire. No such actual announcement by the investigators exists.



Yes, I actually caught my mistake when I read the news link that you posted a few minutes ago. That's what I get for taking Blastman at his word. I blame him! biggrin

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7th incident involving United and their Boeing. Me thinks United ground crew sleeping on the job!


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If I owned any Boeing stock I would have unloaded it a while ago.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I never want you on my jury. That is hardly undeniable proof.

It's not beyond imagination for a suicidal person to tell people "if something happens its not suicide". Suicidal people aren't rational.

And I am not ruling out foul play, I'm just not jumping to any conclusions. I want facts. It's the engineer in me.


Yeah there could have been a life insurance policy that wouldn't pay out for suicide...

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Not a Boeing aircraft.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Not a Boeing aircraft.


My mistake. This is.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2024/...hwest-airlines-denver-airport-nr-vpx.cnn


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Boeing doesn't make engines. That's a problem for the engine company or the airline company.

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Boeing hit after new whistleblower raises safety concerns about 777 and 787

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68534703

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It seems Boeing likes to “Epstein” their troublesome employees.


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It's will soon to be safer to fly in a 737 Max than being employed at Boeing.

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Airbus catches fire after landing.

Ground crew did nothing.

From the comments in the YouTube video, there were many things they could have done.

Some of the fleeing passengers had luggage when they shouldn't have according to the YouTube comments.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/delta-plane-catches-fire-seattle-dramatic-new-video


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