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#4498449 - 11/27/19 12:24 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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I don’t buy the 300 bombers claim. That means the rest of Japans air defenses destroyed almost none.


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#4498450 - 11/27/19 12:26 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Imagine being a 17 to 18 yr old kid. You get a few hours basic flight training and you get one of these monsters to "fly and kill the gaijin!" Same for the German kids..."save the fatherland".

Just talking about the "Oh FRAC" factor, not the right/wrong or the politics of it the war.

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#4498470 - 11/27/19 08:31 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
I don’t buy the 300 bombers claim. That means the rest of Japans air defenses destroyed almost none.



No idea myself, my old man used to have a couple of fantastic in depth books about the fire bombing of Japan i read as a teen and i've never been able to find out whay they were. They would have been at least '70's publications, and have probably been surpassed by now anyway. I reckon we could dig out some pretty good stats from the net.


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Imagine being a 17 to 18 yr old kid. You get a few hours basic flight training and you get one of these monsters to "fly and kill the gaijin!" Same for the German kids..."save the fatherland".

Just talking about the "Oh FRAC" factor, not the right/wrong or the politics of it the war.

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#4498482 - 11/27/19 12:09 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Here is a quick check.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan


5th Air Force:
31 aircraft

7th Air Force:
12 aircraft

VII Fighter Command:
157 aircraft
91 killed

20th Air Force: 414 aircraft
over 2,600 killed[2]

“ The Twentieth Air Force lost 414 B-29s during attacks on Japan. Over 2,600 American bomber crew members were killed, including POWs who died in captivity, and a further 433 were wounded.[2]”



“Overall, Japanese fighters shot down 74 B-29s, anti-aircraft guns accounted for a further 54, and 19 were downed by a combination of anti-aircraft guns and fighters. IJAAF and IJN losses during the defense of Japan were 1,450 aircraft in combat and another 2,750 to other causes.[215]”



There seems to be a crossover between the figures shot down and lost. The lost includes all losses (I.e. accidents, navigation, etc).


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#4498492 - 11/27/19 03:34 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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The Frank is Staff Sergeant Joten Naito of the Kurai Unit of the 502nd Temporary Interception Corps flying out of Nakatsu Airfield from March to May '45.


Thanks Ajay. I think that the unit should be the 520th.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4498577 - 11/28/19 08:00 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Here is a quick check.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan


5th Air Force:
31 aircraft

7th Air Force:
12 aircraft

VII Fighter Command:
157 aircraft
91 killed

20th Air Force: 414 aircraft
over 2,600 killed[2]

“ The Twentieth Air Force lost 414 B-29s during attacks on Japan. Over 2,600 American bomber crew members were killed, including POWs who died in captivity, and a further 433 were wounded.[2]”



“Overall, Japanese fighters shot down 74 B-29s, anti-aircraft guns accounted for a further 54, and 19 were downed by a combination of anti-aircraft guns and fighters. IJAAF and IJN losses during the defense of Japan were 1,450 aircraft in combat and another 2,750 to other causes.[215]”



There seems to be a crossover between the figures shot down and lost. The lost includes all losses (I.e. accidents, navigation, etc).


So (the 20th)147 lost directly to AA or fighters out of 414 losses total. Thats 267 to mishaps/accidents and navigation losses/ditchings if i'm reading it correctly?


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#4498590 - 11/28/19 11:42 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Army Air Force Statistical Digest: World War II
https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a542518.pdf (takes time to load)

See Table 165 for losses and Table 166 for claims. This is for the XX and XXI Air forces.

There is also a US Navy SD.

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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4498744 - 11/30/19 12:01 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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As always, one can take claimed air victories with a grain of salt; even with gun camera footage, kills are often over stated.

This is acceptable, as it hurts nobody to allow over-counting and improves morale....something the Japanese were sorely in need of.


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#4498814 - 11/30/19 07:55 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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#4498841 - 12/01/19 08:02 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Thanks mate! Glad you translated because google translate can't smile


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