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#4507999 - 02/20/20 04:26 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Mike there is a tremendous amount of customization in that build. Cudos for taking it on. Kind of makes me think of the Beatles song "The long and winding Road!! biggrin


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#4508055 - 02/21/20 10:31 AM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi Rob,
More like a 'Hard Days Night',

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#4508082 - 02/21/20 05:51 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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#4508087 - 02/21/20 07:15 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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#4508572 - 02/26/20 09:39 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The fuselage has now been prepared for application of the decals, which hopefully will be a combination of wood effect decals and kit decals.
If that doesn't work out I'll revert to creating the wood effects using oil paints.
The actual aircraft had a Latin legend along both sides of the fuselage - ‘FRANGAR NON FLECTAR’.
Some translation for this are:
'I am broken, I am not deflected'
’I’ll break but will not bend’
'I will break, not bow'
'I am broken, I am not deflected'
This is not supplied as a decal in the kit, which is not surprising given it's not even shown on the kit colour illustrations!!
As there is no aftermarket for this I have to resort to creating a mask set, which I've done on my 'Cricut Air 2' cutting machine.
Hopefully the mask won't peel off and decals or paint when I remove them, as airbrushing this legend is literally the last job on the fuselage.

I've added the 'dome' in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a rudimentary gun sight. The purpose of this 'dome' is unclear.
I've primed the fuselage in white as the decals are somewhat 'see through', so need a white base under the roundels.
Also the wood effect decals need a white background.
I've added pre-shading along the wood panel nail lines, which I created with a 'Rosie the Riveter' tool.

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#4508657 - 02/27/20 05:30 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Just how wide is the wing span of that model? I am thinking you may need a larger case.

It's looking very nice Mike!


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#4508658 - 02/27/20 05:40 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
An example below of the 'translucent' decals supplied in the kit.
When applied over other decals or paint, the colour below shows through.
This means a white base colour needs to be applied, both under individual decals as well as for the wood effect decals.
It also means the individual wood decals will need to be cut around the kit decals - tricky, but worth trying rather than using oil paint for wood effect.

Rob:
Upper wing is the widest at 15 inches (381 mm).

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#4509518 - 03/04/20 10:29 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
As I wasn't happy using wood effect decals I stripped off all of the previously applied roundels, stripes and the wood effect decals.
I then sanded the fuselage and re-primed with 'AK Interactive' white (AK759).
Then I applied 'Tamiya' Dark Yellow (XF60).
I masked off the white areas then sponged on 'DecoArt Crafters Acrylic' paint along the fuselage.

Next is to Airbrush 'Tamiya' Chear Orange (XF26) or Yellow (XF24) mixed with a semi-matte sealer ('Alclad' Light Sheen (ALC-311).
Then add the roundels and fuselage stripes (white decal first).
Add back the nail lines with a 'Rosie the Riveter' (1:32nd - 1 mm).
Apply the final decals.
Finally a weathering wash of 'Flory Models' Dark Dirt or Grime followed by a light sheen sealing coat.

So still a bit to do,

Mike

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#4509652 - 03/05/20 10:55 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The fuselage decal are now on.
As the kit supplied decals are translucent and darker colours underneath show through, I had to cut out white decals for the roundels and skulls.
Not easy but at least the darker wood colour doesn't show through,

Mike

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#4510007 - 03/08/20 12:35 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Fantastic work as always Mike, just fantastic. To that dome on the deck directly in front of the pilot, it looks like a binnacle mount for a compass to me. Over the years working on old wooden boats, I've seen a very similar compass dome mounted in just such a manner. You bore a hole the diameter of the compass cylinder, usually about 4" or so across, and the assembly drops in and is secured to the deck with screws through a flange at the base of the dome. In the rear of the dome is a window that allows you to view the compass floating inside.


EDIT: Similar to the following, though this example has a flip-up half-shell cover rather than a full metal dome with a window, but you get the idea.

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#4510091 - 03/09/20 10:12 AM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi Lou,
Thanks for the heads up for the possibility of the dome being a compass binnacle.
Not being a nautical cove, it hadn't occurred to me but it does make sense.
Especially given these aircraft were flown mostly over the sea and their pilot's had no points of reference for navigation.
I'll see if I can follow this up,

Thanks,

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#4510121 - 03/09/20 01:37 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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You're welcome, Mike. And, to some historic evidence of a WWI-era binnacle dome for aeroplane compasses, I just came across the following: Liquid Compass and Binnacle - Aircraft - 1916

They were being used then, so it's definitely a possibility on your M-5.



EDIT: Just found this WWII version of precisely the drop-in, flange mount compass with windowed binnacle cover I was describing in my earlier post. This particular one is currently being offered on eBay for $395, just as a point of interest.

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#4510152 - 03/09/20 04:08 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi Lou,
Many thanks.
I've been in contact with a guy in Italy who is a font of knowledge on WW1 Italian aircraft.
Although he can't confirm it, he also believes the 'dome' was in fact a compass binnacle,

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#4510158 - 03/09/20 04:23 PM Re: Macchi M-5 [Re: Sandbagger]  
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That is excellent Mike, thanks for the info from your Italian contact. What would be more excellent still would be an actual photo from the cockpit of M7288 showing the compass sitting in that dome on the deck, but that would be expecting waaaaay too much. biggrin

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So Lou.....Is that compass making it's way into your collection????? You have a way of finding the obscure!


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Robert, probably not. Now if it were WWI vintage then I just might consider it. smile2


My previous comment about wishing there were a better shot showing the dome on the M.5 got me to thinking, so I went back to the large format version of the photo Mike posted earlier in this thread and had a closer look. Here is a clip of that photo, enlarged 300% and sharpened one click. It does appear there is a glass window on the backside of that dome and I have made some highlights pointing to possible evidence. The shaded area in the second frame highlights the possible glass window. You folks can judge for yourselves.

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Nice bit of investigation Lou - I didn't think to do that after our conversation yep


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Hi all,
I still have weathering, nail lines and the green fuselage stripes (waiting for paint to arrive) to do.

However I have:
Painted the gun ports and rigging panels ('Mr. Colour' Stainless Steel).
Painted the engine support strut mountings ('Mr. Colour' Aluminium).
Fitted gun barrels (0.7 mm diameter tube) painted with 'Mr. Colour' Iron.
Gun Sight (0.3mm and 0.5 mm diameter tube) painted with 'Tamiya' Rubber Black (XF85)..
Compass binnacle (modified sprue with a compass decal and clear 'window').
Windscreen ('Alclad' Duralumin) - clear area treated with 'Pledge' Floor care.

Mike

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Looking fantastic mike!


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Hi all,
Is it just me or is everyone getting these annoying 'infolink' pop up adverts !!

Anyway, the fuselage is progressing with the stripes and Latin legend 'Frangar Non Flectar'.
Just the three metal hatch covers to add and final weathering and finish.
Then onto the wings,

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