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#4491051 - 10/01/19 07:46 PM Chaffs / flares amount  
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Hi there

Quick one - is there an easy way of changing how many chaffs and flares the helo has got. To be honest AH64 hasn't got that many of them and I believe the numbers should be a bit higher.

Cheers

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#4491377 - 10/04/19 03:49 AM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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There isn't, it's set in the code. Do you know how many it has in real life?

#4491433 - 10/04/19 03:28 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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The setting is in the weapons configuration file for the AH64, I know right where it is in the code. The code has to be recompiled to insert a new setting, though.

\EECHSourceCode\aphavoc\source\entity\mobile\weapon\configs\apache.h and apache_a.h

#4491564 - 10/05/19 03:10 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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I had the numbers somewhere before I moved, will need to dig them out. It was just something that sometimes was bugging me a bit. If I could get the numbers would anyone be willing to help me to update the code?

Cheers guys

#4491571 - 10/05/19 04:29 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Ok found the info in regards to chaffs

https://info.publicintelligence.net/USArmy-ApacheLongbow.pdf

Page 741

4.87.1 System Description. The M141 General Purpose Aircraft Dispenser (CHAFF) is an active ECM system designed to protect the helicopter from AAA, SAM,
and Airborne Intercept (AI) radar threats. The system can
dispense up to 30 chaff cartridges (MI) as a countermeasure against radar guided weapons systems. The chaff
system is basically composed of three components, the
dispenser assembly, the payload module, and the chaff
safety switch.

Just need to dig out some info on flares.


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Actually I might have answered my own question. If only one dispenser is fitted then the amount of chaffs and flares might be right = 30 however not sure if the same dispenser can have both chaffs and flares fitted...if it can would there be additional dispensers fitted during the mission.

Crap, shot myself in the foot with this one LOL

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#4491651 - 10/06/19 08:53 AM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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I found where this is set in the code. It's set to 10 chaff, and 20 flare, but I think that might be per dispenser, so 20 chaff and 40 flare. I can't check the numbers in the game, does that match what you see in the game?

#4491721 - 10/06/19 04:11 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Ok, I'm digging myself a grave now.

Started looking into this a bit deeper and it appears there is more info ,which means I am trying to get my head round it since I created this topic.

Anyway, looks like a CHAFF dispenser (M-130 / M-141 models) are fitted on the tail (on the left side). Each dispenser holds up to 30 chaffs so we should have 30 chaffs available.

Now flares are stored in a different module from what I can read. I have come across something called AN/ALE-40 or AN/ALE-47 dispenser that can dispense chaffs or flares. but I will have to do some digging when I get "a minute or two".

Once my info is kind of 90 odd percent confirmed I will get back to you and you could "insert" the right numbers into the code biggrin

Stay tuned

#4492091 - 10/08/19 09:21 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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I have set actual numbers for all helicopters years ago, but can't promise it's 100% correct. It's true that amounts can be set in the code only, lack of flexible weapons system.
But instead of increasing amounts you can try to set up higher effectiveness values in ini file.

#4492099 - 10/08/19 10:16 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Ok i have to admit that I just want to pop sh$% loads of flares now and then to make the whole mission look a bit more dramatic wink biggrin

#4495349 - 10/31/19 01:54 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: Javelin]  
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Originally Posted by Javelin
The setting is in the weapons configuration file for the AH64, I know right where it is in the code. The code has to be recompiled to insert a new setting, though.

\EECHSourceCode\aphavoc\source\entity\mobile\weapon\configs\apache.h and apache_a.h


Would it be possible to have two alternative files, one with stock figures and one with 30 chaffs/30 flares? Not an expert when it comes to compiling things however I could possibly get my head round it if i know what to do and what to change biggrin

Cheers

#4495682 - 11/02/19 10:22 AM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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It could probably be set in the eech.ini file eventually, as different configs

#4495998 - 11/04/19 07:37 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Yup.

I ran out of chaffes and flares the other day flying a Longbow on a recon mission over one of the big enemy airport.

I RTB with heavy damage.

#4496001 - 11/04/19 07:52 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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change higher effectiveness values in eech.ini.

#4496577 - 11/08/19 09:56 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Actually having an option to change the amount in the eech,ini would be the best. Dont get me wrong Banita but i want to be able to have accurate numbers of "things" in here, which obviously includes ammo and counter measures. Now, how difficult would it be to change the code so the numbers can be pulled from eech.ini ?

#4496580 - 11/08/19 10:44 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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But I agree with you, I can't do anything, I'm not a coder wink

#4496636 - 11/09/19 04:02 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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Changing the current values in the code isn't really that difficult, it's far simpler than adding in an ini change. It's just that the two active coders on the project (me and Messyhead) are on a break right now. Life and all that. If someone were to research the actual values for all the helicopters and flyable aircraft, one of us might come out of the trees and compile it for you.

#4496645 - 11/09/19 05:17 PM Re: Chaffs / flares amount [Re: PatrykW]  
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I thought the actual values had been researched and updated by thealx?


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