Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Hop To
#4495350 - 10/31/19 01:54 PM MoH footage, the first ever captured  
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,503
DM Offline
Senior Member
DM  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,503
Prague
So this popped up on my Youtube feed today, purporting to be the first time a MoH recipient was filmed during the event. John Chapman, an Air Force Combat Controller is filmed during his ultimately mortal rescue attempt, the footage is quite compelling, even though it's not much more than black-hot IR blobs.



Not trying to cheapen that experience, but it certainly puts my Arma escapades into sharp perspective. No reloads or restarts. Must have been quite an intense human experience.


"They might look the same, but they don't taste the same."
Inline advert (2nd and 3rd post)

#4495375 - 10/31/19 03:53 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 19,381
Ajay Offline
newbie
Ajay  Offline
newbie
Veteran

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 19,381
Brisbane OZ
Wow.


My il2 page
Seelowe Campaign
Cliffs of Dover page
CloD
My Models
Tanks/Planes/Ships


#4495378 - 10/31/19 04:22 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,751
rwatson Offline
Hotshot
rwatson  Offline
Hotshot

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,751
New Concord, Ohio
What can we say except Salute !!


Russ
Semper Fi
#4495380 - 10/31/19 04:38 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,570
Mr_Blastman Online content
Hotshot
Mr_Blastman  Online Content
Hotshot

Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 9,570
Atlanta, GA
We owe our freedom and our way of life to brave, selfless men such as him.

#4495458 - 11/01/19 01:51 AM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 9,703
Blade_RJ Offline
Simhq Weather man, dropping rain in your parade
Blade_RJ  Offline
Simhq Weather man, dropping rain in your parade
Hotshot

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 9,703
brasil
wait a minute, they went there to retrieve the body or rescue the seal ? they must have know of the bunkers, since a previous engamente must have taken place, why didnt they call the guns in the air to flak the bunker before going in ?
RIP to a valent soul

#4495552 - 11/01/19 03:41 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 13,203
DBond Online content
Strategerizer
DBond  Online Content
Strategerizer
Veteran

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 13,203
NooJoyzee
I don't know all the details, but some. As far as I know they did not know the hilltop was occupied, as a matter of fact I think a Spectre gunship had checked and gave the all-clear (bunkers prevented thermals from picking anything up?)

So when they attempted to land they were fired on, hit and the SEAL fell out, which in turn sparked the rescue operation as they perhaps couldn't know if he survived the fall? Upon their return perhaps they ruled out any type of suppression with the SEAL still there on the ground. How to take out the bunkers without endangering the possibly still-alive SEAL?


No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
#4495558 - 11/01/19 04:05 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,390
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,390
Miami, FL USA
A little bit of MOH trivia:

14 of the 27 MOH awarded to Marines and US Navy personnel for Iwo Jima were posthumous.

The MOH was signed into law as a "permanent decoration" by the Federal US Congress in 1863.


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
#4495663 - 11/02/19 03:11 AM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,560
THX-1138 Offline
Tyrell Corporation
THX-1138  Offline
Tyrell Corporation
Senior Member

Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,560
Miami, Florida - United States...
Here is a computer 3D graphical representation of what happened on the ground:



Domestic Robotics - www.DomesRO.com

#4495680 - 11/02/19 09:36 AM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,751
rwatson Offline
Hotshot
rwatson  Offline
Hotshot

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,751
New Concord, Ohio
Thank you THX


Russ
Semper Fi
#4495697 - 11/02/19 01:20 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,849
Falstar Offline
Senior Member
Falstar  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,849
Edina, MN 55439
Hard to believe its been 17 years. Why did Chapman rush the bunker by himself? His Team Leader couldn't even catch up with him, and why did the rest of the team go to the south after debarking away from the target, then eventually sliding down the hill leaving Chapman and the Team leader alone.

#4495709 - 11/02/19 02:36 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: Falstar]  
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,503
DM Offline
Senior Member
DM  Offline
Senior Member

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,503
Prague
Originally Posted by Falstar
Hard to believe its been 17 years. Why did Chapman rush the bunker by himself? His Team Leader couldn't even catch up with him, and why did the rest of the team go to the south after debarking away from the target, then eventually sliding down the hill leaving Chapman and the Team leader alone.


Difficult to assess what was going on between people with such abstracted footage, and with no knowledge of what was being communicated between people I guess. Might have been something as obvious as Ramboing it out of desperation to save a colleague, or might have been something as coordinated as the rear guy laying down covering fire so someone else can progress through shouted/radioed communication. The IR nature of the video doesn't do a very good job of letting us know the exact nature of the terrain, how steep the terrain was, levels of micro-cover, how likely it might be that the enemy in the bunker would know who could be where at any given time. It has to be noted that Chapman successfully cleared that bunker during that chaos.


"They might look the same, but they don't taste the same."
#4495715 - 11/02/19 03:36 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,179
bisher Offline
I'll be your Huckleberry
bisher  Offline
I'll be your Huckleberry
Veteran

Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 13,179
Manitoba, Canada
Wow

#4495733 - 11/02/19 05:09 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 13,738
F4UDash4 Online cool
Veteran
F4UDash4  Online Cool
Veteran

Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 13,738
SC
This is hard to watch. In fact, I've thus far not watched all of it.

As the father of a Marine I can't even begin to imagine what watching this, if they have, must be like for Chapman's family. My prayers go out to them and to families of all the fallen.

#4495734 - 11/02/19 05:10 PM Re: MoH footage, the first ever captured [Re: DM]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,390
PanzerMeyer Online centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
PanzerMeyer  Online Centaurian
Pro-Consul of Florida
King Crimson - SimHQ's Top Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 121,390
Miami, FL USA
+1 F4U


“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”

Moderated by  RacerGT 

Quick Search
Recent Articles
Support SimHQ

If you shop on Amazon use this Amazon link to support SimHQ
.
Social


Recent Topics
RIP Louis Gosset, Jr
by bones. 03/29/24 02:40 PM
Carnival Cruise Ship Fire....... Again
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:58 PM
Baltimore Bridge Collapse
by F4UDash4. 03/26/24 05:51 PM
The Oldest WWII Veterans
by F4UDash4. 03/24/24 09:21 PM
They got fired after this.
by Wigean. 03/20/24 08:19 PM
Grown ups joke time
by NoFlyBoy. 03/18/24 10:34 PM
Anyone Heard from Nimits?
by F4UDash4. 03/18/24 10:01 PM
RIP Gemini/Apollo astronaut Tom Stafford
by semmern. 03/18/24 02:14 PM
Copyright 1997-2016, SimHQ Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0