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#4494501 - 10/25/19 12:02 PM Music truly is relative  
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I was just looking at the nominees for this year's American Music Awards and a few things struck me.


1. The "Rock" genre as we knew it is completely gone from the mainstream.

2. The "Hip Hop" genre as we knew it is completely gone from the mainstream. It's almost been entirely replaced by R&B.


Also, how many of the nominees in the list have you heard of? I've heard of a couple like Taylor Swift and Drake but I don't listen to their music.

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/american-music-awards-nominees-revealed-1203381940/



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The AMA awards never made any sense because for the longest time as it was based on sales & airplay so if you did any research you already knew who the winners were ahead of time.
Since 2006 they have actually voted for winners out of the top 3 in sales//airplay so at least now there is a little drama in who might win but because of how they did it before it was an awards show that just never had any interest for me.

I see that they have combined rock into a pop/rock category with only pop nominees so you are right in the AMA's not giving rock any limelight.

Another thing I remember was for the longest time you could always set your clock to Alabama winning the country group award, they once had a stretch of 8 straight years.


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#4498811 - 11/30/19 07:27 PM Re: Music truly is relative [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Even if some form of Rock became mainstream again, I probably wouldn't notice as I don't listen to radio at all anymore. I keep a mini-flashdrive in my wallet full of themed playlists and even have a 'greatest hits' MP3 CD (> 100 songs) in the rare case that USB isn't available. The 'Coolidge Effect' has also never affected my love of the same music and movies over the decades, they just never get old to me.

Plus there's no shortage of live Classic Rock around my town, from Beatles/Stones/Zep/Floyd to any number of hair band tributes and covers.

And let's face it, the really fun Rock (pre-90's) reflected more romantic and easygoing times, when guitar gods and massive drum sets ruled, which would be hard to duplicate today...

Van Halen - Van Halen II - Beautiful Girls [conservative non-video]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9h2m06sFQ



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4498869 - 12/01/19 04:53 PM Re: Music truly is relative [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I wanted to add a positive note on the demise of Rock. smile

In addition to the thousands of songs in my collection that I choose from every day...

I just purchased tickets for the Molly Ringwalds (later in month) and Hotel California (Eagles tribute). As long as I can enjoy competent live covers of the eras of Rock that I listen to (similar to enjoying Classical covers at any symphony orchestra, IMO), then Rock is most definitely NOT dead and will likely not die in my lifetime. Whatever is currently mainstream or viral at the moment is irrelavent.

Plus you still hear Rock all the time... LSU vs. Alabama, how many times did 'Bama's stadium play the opening bell and chords to AC/DC's "Hells Bells"? Lovin' it! biggrin

My Rock isn't going anywhere.




The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Doing a little lunchtime reading, I'm convinced that Rock music (at least the Rock I grew up with) will never become mainstream again. Apparently, to embrace this type of Rock is to embrace your male whiteness and misogynist toxic masculinity...or something like that. Nah, it ain't coming back and neither are Rock videos.

Not that Rock ever *needed* videos (although fun to watch), but we'll never see another "Hot For Teacher" or "Hot Legs" video which objectifies women and worse, glorifies skinny white women (obviously appealing to closeted homosexual pedophiles). rolleyes

Grunge isn't coming back either, "...nothing but whiny white boy music." Besides, teenagers/young adults decide what's mainstream and Rock is their father's and grandfather's dinosaur music (we once felt the same way, right?). Plus, you can't dance or twerk to it. biggrin

Anyway, at least there's Greta Van Fleet (Led Zeppelin reincarnated) and the other underground stuff, so Rock is out there for those who want to dig for something new. I'll stick with what I've got...

AC/DC - You Shook Me All Night Long (Official Video)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2qQmj0_h4

I'll end my rant with an interesting quote...

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"Is there a chance? Can the optimism and terror of the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, be recreated? In 5 years, if a college kid yells, ‘Sex, drugs, and Rock-n-Roll’, he will be arrested for hate speech."
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The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4499105 - 12/03/19 07:28 PM Re: Music truly is relative [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
I'm convinced that Rock music (at least the Rock I grew up with) will never become mainstream again.



Never say never. Music sometimes has these short lived fads where an old music genre comes back in style for a couple of years and then it fades again. Remember the late 90's fad with 40's era big band music? You had that "Mambo #5" song and also "Zoot Suit Riot" which were big hits at the time. I have no doubt that the 70's/80's "classic" rock genre will experience this as well sometime in the future.


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PM, I missed the late-90's Big Band resurgence, having already tuned out of current music. Then it was television and movies, I'm many years behind now.

I remember an airshow in New Orleans a few years back, the Blue Angels taxiing and then taking off to AC/DC's "Thunderstruck" followed by Mötley Crüe's "Kickstart My Heart". In fact, I heard allot of Classic Rock that day so it still gets played everywhere. My local Goodwill is always playing 80's Rock and Pop.

If Rock ever returns to mainstream (and that's a big if), I think it'll be so watered down that it'll hardly resemble Classic Rock. That style of music just isn't cool anymore (I think it's now called "Dad Rock"). biggrin But again, youths decide pop culture. We had our turn and thankfully technology allows us to enjoy the nostalgia through YouTube and Ticketmaster. I have no complaints.



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Originally Posted by MarkG
But again, youths decide pop culture. .



This is absolutely correct.

I don't remember the exact line but there's a scene with James Bond in "Goldfinger" (came out in 1964) where he finds a Beatles album in his hotel room and he makes some kind of snide remark about the youth of today having no taste in music.


It's all relative. smile

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Talking music with family Millennials (born late-90's to early-2000's), I've adjusted my attitude...

1. It does no good to compare decades since people are biased to the music they came of age with (at 52, I prefer 70's with 80's close behind, with some 60's and 90's).

2. Even what's good and bad in each decade isn't always agreed upon. For example, I enjoy sappy power ballads even more than I did in the 80's (i.e. April Wine's "Just Between You and Me", Journey's "Faithfully", Scorpions' "Still Loving You"), while an angry Punk type might detest them (and vice versa). smile

3. Is Rock dead? Is radio dead? Is streaming taking over iTunes? Can a 50 year-old Rockers' hearing really tell the difference between 320+ MP3 and CD on less than Hi-Fi?

Man, I have no idea. I just know that I'm enjoying my music collection and live performances as much as ever. Music isn't a sedentary form of entertainment (unless you want it to be), I can move while I listen, usually being motivated to move. Even at a seated venue, I plan ahead for additional walking and other calorie burning activities.

4. 'Music truly is relative.' smile



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Those are all valid points Mark. There's at least one aspect of music that isn't subjective and that is legacy/influence. For example, you may have someone who doesn't care at all for Beatles music but there is absolutely no denying the massive influence and legacy that the Beatles left behind on both popular culture and the musical art form. For every Beatles though there are probably at least 100 or more bands who have been completely forgotten by the passage of time.


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<I'm at the library taking a study break, will return to this tonight when I get home.>

Wondering, what is the modern equivalent to 80's nerd rock? biggrin

Rush-Chemistry (Lyrics)...


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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
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Originally Posted by MarkG


Wondering, what is the modern equivalent to 80's nerd rock? biggrin




There is none.

You really can't beat Rush when it comes to intellectual and esoteric lyrics. For me, "Xanadu" is the ultimate example.


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Also "Natural Science".

I'll have to challenge my Millennial family to find me a current song that...

A. Makes you want to wrap up your girl with one arm while pumping your fist with the other yelling, "#%&*$# Yeah!", and all without spilling your beer! biggrin

The guy at 2:35 gets it...

Tesla - Love Song (Official Music Video)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2q_-xN2N54


B. Rawks conservatism...

Georgia Satellites ~ Keep Your Hands To Yourself (1986)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Qweq3BgJA

The 80's may have been decadent and hedonistic, but while we were shouting at the devil (song about drugs), celebrating strippers (another Mötley Crüe reference) and fighting for our right to party, there was an ever present Reagan-era conservative undercurrent that kept things balanced (along with all the power ballad love songs that most Europeans hate). biggrin

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Still, the 1970's had the best music to me (judging by my regular albums and the extreme crapload of Greatest Hits [currently listening to Paul Simon, next ELO and then Earth Wind & Fire]).

So what's the modern day "Dark Side of the Moon"? I remember people thinking it was Radiohead's "OK Computer" (although late 90's). That's about when I checked out.



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Let us not forget as we begin the new decade, that we can still...what?...

Night Ranger - (You Can Still) Rock In America (Live 1983)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RMA-1oWISQ

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What dunderhead would want to build a DeLorean time machine in 1985?! I mean, you're already there! Where else would you want to be? biggrin



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Originally Posted by MarkG



What dunderhead would want to build a DeLorean time machine in 1985?! I mean, you're already there! Where else would you want to be? biggrin



You know you're old when the year Marty traveled back to (1955) is a lower number of years from the time of the film than when the film was released to our time NOW.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
You know you're old when the year Marty traveled back to (1955) is a lower number of years from the time of the film than when the film was released to our time NOW.

Yup. old_simmer And to think that the movie's flying car future was already over 4 years ago! eek2

But what a scene!...

BTTF 1955 Hill Valley Mr. Sandman...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY2w2-CAKgM

I know the 50's had plenty of problems but the clean streets, well dressed and behaved people... I like how the movie emphasizes some differences between 1955 and 1985 at the same location. I lean conservative (sometimes *very* conservative) so an alternate universe 50's would work for me, although I'd miss 70's/80's music.

But I could live with this...

CHUCK BERRY : Johnny B. Goode (1958) HD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKCt8ssC7cs


Oh man, what would replace Journey's "Faithfully" and Bryan Adams' "Heaven"?...

The Penguins - Earth Angel (1954) (1973)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ledtDi7xHTo

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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Thinking more about this, something I doubt happens today (but I really don't know)...

1991...driving to work, usually listening to 96Rock Atlanta. I walk into the break room for morning coffee and ask (or am asked by) the guys, "Dude, you hear the new Pearl Jam song?" "Yeah, it's pretty good."

IIRC, the order of radio play was "Alive", "Black" and then "Jeremy". We (mostly 20's) then went to a music store to buy the "Ten" CD. Everyone was hearing the same music at the same time (as with pre-cable TV) and evaluating it or planning for the impending concert.

Also, it didn't matter if the 70's, 80's and 90's had as much crap music (like bad Pop or genres I don't listen to) as any other decade. You turned on Rock radio and you got LOTS of great NEW music, at the time being more Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc., even some new Rush (i.e. "Presto") and Metallica (i.e. "Black Album") that I liked.

Does this still happen around the office coffee pot or water cooler?



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Copying from another thread...

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG
new Hard Rock or Metal again:

If there is any new hard rock or Metal it must be underground/indie type stuff because those genres don't exist anymore at the mainstream level.

So true. Not long ago I YouTube sampled what's considered to be Rock on the Billboard charts and just shook my head (although I expected it).

And it's not that I'm too lazy to go digging for new *real* Rock, I'm just not compelled to do so. I do sample Rock that gets posted on the " What Are You Listening To Right Now?" thread and sometimes I hear a song that's ok, but usually nothing so outstanding that I want repeat listens. Maybe I'm too closed-minded with age, but I'm ok with that.

Most currently hip socially relevant music is by young people *for* young people, I don't feel a need to be a part of it (like shunning social media...except for this place smile ). When I go to a concert, I prefer the majority of the audience to be my age as that's what I'm comfortable with. Seems to me that most new Rock artists (at least the charters) are trying to be diversified with Rap/Hip Hop influence. I guess this makes sense in our current culture, but it's not something I'm interested in. I like my old-school Rock. The RUN DMC - Aerosmith collaboration was pretty cool but didn't convert me.

Someone once asked me if staying behind the times makes me feel old. Nah, quite the opposite. I only feel old when I take an extended break from daily stretching and exercising, and/or when I overeat. You're only as old as how you feel when you get out of bed in the morning.



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Originally Posted by MarkG
I prefer the majority of the audience to be my age as that's what I'm comfortable with. .



I studied the audience intently at the Rush concert I went to a few years ago for the Clockwork Angels tour. I'd say the majority of people there were older than me (in their late 40's, 50's and even 60's). I did see a handful of people who looked like they were in their 30's. I will also add that the audience was roughly 50/50 male/female but what really struck me is that I didn't see one single black person.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG
I prefer the majority of the audience to be my age as that's what I'm comfortable with. .

I studied the audience intently at the Rush concert I went to a few years ago for the Clockwork Angels tour. I'd say the majority of people there were older than me (in their late 40's, 50's and even 60's). I did see a handful of people who looked like they were in their 30's. I will also add that the audience was roughly 50/50 male/female but what really struck me is that I didn't see one single black person.

Typical of any Classic Rock concert.

If you scroll halfway this thread you'll see a Kansas audience (although much smaller than Rush)...
Kansas, Sat. Aug. 26, Raising Cane's River Center Theater

Some true seniors in attendance and the only blacks were the girls who worked for the facility (the ones up front in yellow uniforms, don't know if they stuck around for the show). I wonder what the race ratio would be for an oldies black act (even if just a tribute) like the Commodores, Earth, Wind & Fire, Kool & the Gang, etc.? I don't know but I would love to personally find out! smile I'm guessing, as with many of the black artists in my music library, you'd see a lot of whites.

BTW, some years back Kool & the Gang were supposed to open for Van Halen but I don't know if it actually happened (a VH tour was really iffy then).

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Thinking about that Kansas show...

The River Center Theater (with upper section) is the perfect size to me with 2,000 seats versus the adjacent arena with 10,400 seats (which is still small for a concert arena).

The pros to a theater (or theatre?) vs. an arena are:
- less crowd.
- less traffic with easier parking (unless other stuff is going on in downtown Baton Rouge).
- better sound.

The pros to an arena are:
- large crowd energy.
- lingering pot fog, smells great and enhances any laser show.

I'm done with arenas, and definitely done with driving to New Orleans to the larger Smoothie King Arena (next to Superdome). Just too much hassle, Rush R40 was the last.



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Clockwork Angels, Amway Center, Orlando (my worst seats for a Rush concert)...

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The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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I absolutely would have loved to have seen Earth Wind & Fire in concert during their height in the late 70’s.


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Heck, I'd go see a good EW&F tribute band. Better yet, a good cover band that covers them all!



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Heck, I'd go see a good EW&F tribute band. Better yet, a good cover band that covers them all!



Meh! To each their own of course but to me, going to see a cover band is like drinking decaf coffee or non-alcoholic beer. Or even worse, eating one of those faux beef burgers.

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG
Heck, I'd go see a good EW&F tribute band. Better yet, a good cover band that covers them all!


Meh! To each their own of course but to me, going to see a cover band is like drinking decaf coffee or non-alcoholic beer. Or even worse, eating one of those faux beef burgers.

I'm sure you enjoy a Symphonic Orchestra. smile I do draw the line with paying a higher ticket price for what amounts to a glorified tribute act (current Chicago and Little River Band).

To me, a good tribute act is like taking a cruise. The room, dinners and shows give you a 5 to 7 day glimpse of living the high life (unless it's one of those disaster cruises). But it's not really the Ritz, Broadway or 5-star dining (even on formal night), just a great bang-for-the-buck vacation. And everyone has a fantastic time! biggrin

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Do you remember the Chicago tribute band that was getting kudos around here?

Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? – Chicago (Leonid & Friends cover)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-nXQc6LMU

They're branching out...

September - Leonid & Friends (Earth, Wind & Fire cover)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5XmUnYW5Ks

IMO, all they need is a black or black sounding voice that sounds more like the late Maurice White.

And to come to Louisiana (Florida gets them)...
http://leonidandf.com/tour.html



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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<I'm really going to have to take an offline break after today. Neil Peart's death interrupted my focus, which still doesn't seem real.>

Looking back over thread, I wanted to comment on...

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I will also add that the audience was roughly 50/50 male/female...

I have noticed over the years more women in attendance at Rush concerts. I think it's mostly older married couples, wives sharing their husband's passion and maybe just happy to be taken out for the evening. smile I do the same with Brad Paisley (thankful he's at least an accomplished musician, else it might be unbearable). Not that my wife doesn't actually like some Rush on her own, several of the radio-friendly songs are on her exercise playlist (what we listen to on the track). I think she appreciated them more after the documentaries (starting with "Rush in Rio"), being dedicated family men who mostly avoided the Rockstar lifestyle. Also, we enjoyed Clockwork Angels a lot for the story (both read the book), dissecting the song lyrics on the way to the Orlando concert. I don't think she considers Neil's lyrics to be Shakespeare, but a notch or two above a typical Rock song (if just in subject matter).

My wife does like most Classic Rock, even some harder Gn'R and AC/DC so it's all good. smile I'd say we share ~80% musical tastes, some of her Country I can't do (especially current Country Music radio) and some of my Metal she can't do (some Pantera, Metallica).

So I can't speak for most women at a Rush show, just that everyone seemed to be having a good time. With Def Leppard/Journey, there were more younger uncoupled women than usual. With Rick Springfield it was groups of middle-aged women. Mostly though, it's just older couples at these shows.



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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Good post Mark! I'm not a Country music fan myself but I at least do recognize that even that genre has gone through some big stylistic changes over the past several decades. My impression is that the mainstream Country music of today is VERY different from the music from people like Merle Haggard, Hank Williams Jr. and Tammy Wynette.

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I think you're correct, PM. thumbsup

I listen to enough old-school Country (up to mid-80's?) to include plenty of it on a road trip (like one we made recently returning to Pawhuska, OK where Country Music was fitting)...

Merle Haggard - "I Think I'll Just Stay Here And Drink" [Live from Austin, TX]...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1bRGH9eD5o

I'm digging Merle's solos later in the song, also the horns (the French Quarter would love this one)! An artist doesn't *have* to be a musician for me to enjoy their music, but it does go a long way (I usually watch guitarists with awe and envy).


And the romantic in me can groove to songs like this Kris Kristofferson cover (apologies for no video, I like the studio version best)...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bCDWLSrlI4

Also, the Highwaymen is great stuff! cowboy



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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
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I guess it's not just Rock that's gone underground, as this is currently the Billboard #1 Country song...
From: https://www.billboard.com/charts/country-songs

Dan + Shay, Justin Bieber - 10,000 Hours (Official Music Video)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2E71oe0aSM


I don't know a thing about Rap/Hip Hop, but I wonder if fans of that genre(s) are going through the same thing?



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^ Listened to a couple more Billboard hits, yeah it's over for [mainstream] Country too. Gotta clean out my ears now...

Ghost Riders in the Sky - Johnny Cash - Full Song...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mynzbmrtp9I



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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
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Originally Posted by MarkG
^ Listened to a couple more Billboard hits, yeah it's over for [mainstream] Country too.



At first I was disappointed and surprised by the total lack of actual "Rock" songs when I checked out the Top 40 a few weeks ago but then I realized that Rock music has been around since at least the 1950's so that means the genre is now almost 70 years old. History has shown that all musical genres eventually fade away with the mainstream audience.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by MarkG
^ Listened to a couple more Billboard hits, yeah it's over for [mainstream] Country too.


At first I was disappointed and surprised by the total lack of actual "Rock" songs when I checked out the Top 40 a few weeks ago but then I realized that Rock music has been around since at least the 1950's so that means the genre is now almost 70 years old. History has shown that all musical genres eventually fade away with the mainstream audience.


IMO, the best Rock was already dead by the mid-80's after the rise of video and electronic sound. I thought Rock was doing ok again in the late-80's with Gn'R and Living Colour. In '91 I knew Rock would continue (despite the punkish Nirvana who gets credit for killing what was already dead, unless we're talking about Gn'R who self-destructed) the first time I popped into my car's CD player Pearl Jam's "Ten". "Even Flow" wasn't even one of the big three hits on that album and it totally rocked! But the problem with Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, etc. is that, even with virtuosic musicians, an incessant deep depressing mood isn't sustainable. That's why back in the day Country Music needed Kenny Rogers, and later Alabama to mix a little love and happiness in with all the seriousness and misery, IMO. Music needs balance.

Anyway, I turned 25 in '92 and began losing interest in music, from aging as much as the direction Rock was going. By 30, with the exception of Rush concerts, I'd lost all interest in music. Television (and eating in front of it) was my thing. By 40 I'd gone 10 years without really listening to music, past or present. At 41, with wanting to improve my health and marriage, I turned to music as a catalyst for change. I was lost as to what was current so I went back to what I already owned and was familiar with (that's when nostalgia started kicking in). A *huge* help was the popularity of cheap portable MP3 players and the rise of fun cheap cover/tribute acts.

I've noticed that most of my similarly-aged peers, who also grew up with 70's/80's Rock, never had a musical revival. Music (especially a live performance) is just not one of their interests, and some would rather not be reminded of their teenage years, first love/wife or whatever. But plenty still enjoy it as I see them at the shows, singing along and having a great time. It's just that we're all getting old(er) so I don't know how long it'll last, but what will I care when I'm ashes?

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Got my tickets this morning (a day early)...

THE CHARLIE DANIELS BAND - The Legend Of Wooley Swamp...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0syI-h-UxyA

Charlie is 83, so like with Ronnie Milsap and Bob Seger (who still sound great in concert), might be a last chance deal.

Man, who's gonna fill their shoes?



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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
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I got to see them in high school November '81 on the Raise! tour and it was awesome

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but you are right in that I would also have loved to see EW&F in the 70's, especially this entrance



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^ It might be a while, but I know what my next "Top 100" is going to be. thumbsup But what to call it? R&B? Soul? Ol' "Motown" (even if not technically Motown)? Or just Black Music? Eh, I'll figure it out.

And I've got no backstories with this sound, mainly just a chance grab of yard-sale 8-tracks that made me go, "Dayum!" It was also this genre of music that introduced me to the Soft Side (Commodores' Greatest Hits was the first, IIRC). ConFunkShun, The Gap Band, Lakeside, Kool & The Gang, James Ingram, some Stevie Wonder and Rick James...just off the top of my head. That thread is going to be freaking fun and without any misty-eyed aftereffects! biggrin

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That 70's intro reminds me of a black Spinal Tap! biggrin

The guitar in the middle of "That's the Way of the World" above is as pleasant to my ears as the sax at the end of this one...

Earth, Wind & Fire - After The Love Has Gone (Live)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tuJfud4W6U



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Hehe...a comparison of a live Rock chart toppers...

Currently #1 Rock...
https://www.billboard.com/charts/rock-songs

Panic! At The Disco ‘High Hopes’ live...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuhGRrT3j9I


"Back in my day..." old_simmer

AC/DC - Back In Black (from Live at River Plate)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5rGm3kdTuk

"Ok Boomer."

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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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WHAT THE???

Looking closer at that link...
https://www.billboard.com/charts/rock-songs

No, not that Panic! At The Disco's ‘High Hopes’ has been #1 for 89 weeks (also the #1 Rock Band for 2019), but that the listing reads...

AH CRAP, IT"S GONE! I now see...

1. High Hopes - Panic! At The Disco
2. "Hey Look Ma, I Made It!" - Panic! At The Disco

I can no longer see #3 but I swear I saw Pearl Jam! I must be losing it. screwy

EDIT: Refreshed and got it back, then took a partial screen shot (see below). Must investigate.

2nd EDIT: Just noticed it was already posted on the "...Listening..." thread, must have missed it (and nobody commented on it).

Attached Files Billboard.png
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The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
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Something's screwy. Another screen shot (gotta do it quick unless you're a member)...

Prince's "When Doves Cry" at #5? Lol. Some kind of data corruption?



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The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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Looked at the Billboard chart again today...

https://www.billboard.com/charts/rock-songs
(gotta Refresh and quickly scroll down before it loses view)

...and now there's a new listing at #14: Aerosmith's " Walk This Way". Also some Ozzy and more 1980's Prince, so I dunno what's going on.



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Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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