I'm curious what you guys think will be the next 3 planes ?
Not the ones you are hoping for but what ones you think are coming.

My guess would be

Alb c3
Voisin 3
Dolphin

Pol has already stated that the Dolphin will not be one of them.

Dophin
Albatros C.III
Halberstadt CL.II

I think those are some of the most important missing planes is most played years. If they want to focus on "completing" the late war fighter selection then Pfalz D.XII is probably the most likely after Dolphin; If they want to add missing plane classes then Hanley Page O/100 and/or O/400; If fleshing out the early war is the priority then I think Voisin III or Morane-Saulnier N; Lets say Caudron R.11 as a dark horse option .

That's surprising, it's such a major type to be missing. Maybe they are prioritizing less covered years and/or roles then.

Voisins, especially the 37 mm gun versions
Farman F40 would be good for early war.
Albatros C3 and / or LVG IV too : I love german two-seaters !
Also Salmson 2A2 and Caudron R11

The Caudron G6 / R4 or R11 would be interesting as they would introduce a new way of playing, especially as escort : you have to position between the plane you escort and the ennemy.
It is quite fun in First Eagle.
The Salmson 2A2 was flown by the french and the US, it can be funny.

I've been hoping for the Salmson to expand the American two-seater campaign. I'm with jeanba from the Alb C3 and LVG.

Like a little boys

3 Planes ? My guess is Berg D-1, Alb C-3 or LVG , Caudron G-6

Just to clarify I recently only confirmed that the Dolphin was not in the game already as Wodin thought. I did not say we won't be making it at some point

Right now I'm in a fall of 2016 Campaign and the only two German 2 seaters are the Aviatik and Roland c2 so I think a 2 seat Alb is likely.
Other than that there are so many options.
I kinda like manfas post on page 87 of the wish list.
And Pol's reply even better - Lol.
Now I better run.

If we weren't we wouldn't being playing at all

Oooo. Teaser.
The British Spad Squadrons are looking forward to it.

I think you forgot to put the little up there...maybe...

There is a definite need for more German two seaters in 1915/16. As mentioned, flying for the RFC or FAS you only have Aviatiks and Eindeckers to shoot at before some Roland's turn up later in 1916. Albatros two seaters flew throughout the war so they should be included as much from a historical accuracy perspective as much as a game one......again this is true with the Voisin. It was a numerous and important aircraft in the early and mid war years....so my 3 would be

Albatros C
Voisin
Dolphin

That way the master coders would be pleasing everyone, filling up the sky nicely earlier on, and giving people what they clearly want later in the war

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More B/R buses are sorely needed, in particular the French. The early Voisins are a must and should have been here long ago. Same with the Salmson 2. Along with those another German 2-seater, like the Albatros C, would be an excellent edition. While I would dearly love to see the Dolphin in WOFF someday there are other, larger gaps in the line-up that really should be filled first. If we're wishing, how about a couple of sea planes in the mix? It's high time we had the Felixstowe F.2.

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Armstrong Whitworth FK8
Martinsyde F.4 Buzzard
Vickers F.B.5 Gunbus

I agree with you Lou. The Dolphin seems to be the favorite amongst people on here, so it might be a 'crowd pleaser' with which the devs can get more sales whenever the new aircraft come out.

Personally I'd like the Morane Bullet in there although it'd be interesting to see how and if deflection plates could be incorporated into the game. I doubt they could physically, it would probably be easier to have a low rate of fire (like the Eindecker EI) to replicate the effect of the plates.

Seaplanes would be great and as I'd like to see a Belgian career option at some point in the future, perhaps the Hanriot could be included.....but I'm dreaming again

More two seaters is a must, and definitely achievable.

Personally I'm not that interested in the Dolphin but the OP's question was what planes we think come next, not what we would want . It just seems unlikely that next three planes would all be two-seaters/bombers.

Speaking of Morane Bullet, the deflector shouldn't have that much effect on the rate of fire. By eyeballing I'd say less than 1 in 10 bullets would hit the deflectors on average. Normal synchronizer would probably have larger impact on firepower since they have large safety margins. I don't think the propeller collider is propeller shaped in the first place so physical modelling would be impossible and mechanical overkill. A normal WOFF Vickers firing at normal rate of fire with occasional sound of bullet hitting the deflector would probably be pretty good approximation for the weapon.

(in my dream world, the MF.11, the Farman F40, and the Voisin III and Voisin IV)

I would love for them to be all early war French two seaters... but, adding the Pfalz D.XII later in the war seems like a pretty good thing to add.

by the end of the war the Salmson 2a2 was being used all over the place by both the French and the Americans. so, in terms of just the pure number of squadrons that could be fleshed out these seem like two really solid late-war choices.

the nice thing about adding in the Voisin III is that it could be a stand-in model for the Voisin VIII. and those machines were used for a very long time! I think the Farman F40 was used in larger numbers, but it was for about a year or so...

I love the early war German two-seaters.... but if they do an early war airplane it's hard to imagine it NOT being a French two-seater! this is where the biggest gaps clearly exist. but, if they did do one the Albatros C.III would have the biggest impact based on numbers and deployments.

Swore I wouldn’t get involved in the 25th WOFF plane wish list thread but here I am. Ain’t you all glad I have a phone I carry around all the time?

But back to business. Now...IMHO and flying in 1917 and 1918:
WOFF is in a pretty good place with single seat fighters with no serious gaps except the lack of a FE2d. Yes I know. Not to say perfect (the Dolphin being needed) and there are about three or four that would really round out the 1916-early 1917 British roster. Martinsyde, Fe8, etc.
Germans are in good shape though a SS DIV would be sprinkles on the cake.
French seem to be in good shape also with all the Nieuports and Spads. Official files for all the different engine sizes for different time periods for all the British and French planes (.xfm only needed) worked into the campaign Engine would be awesome.

While not sexy I think two-seaters are desperately needed for all sides.
The Alb-series for the Germans to start, FK8 (The Big Ack) and FE2d for the British, and a one for the later war Americans aka the Salmson. Thanks Trooper!
Not being up on the French two-seaters I’ll leave that to others.

If they put up a Salmson the Americans and the French could use em!

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Duke, you might be a tad shy at 25.
So many times we've come around to this discussion over the last many years. It's fun so I imagine that's why we keep revisiting it. Plus, Christmas is coming and we're getting hopeful of that visit from old Saint Pol.

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Hopefully Lou!
And thanks Trooper. I was having a vapor lock doing 6 things at once and now realize I didn’t name the “American plane needed” in my post.
Let me go back and fix that so OBD can just do a cut & paste for their “to-do” list!

And for OBD, and speaking for myself, if you produce any or all of my brilliant and insightful suggestions as a paid DLC I’ll be your first customer.

Not at all for Spads :
Unless you use VonS addons, there are only 1 Spad 7 and 1 Spad 13.
There were actually two significant variants of Spad 7 : 150 hp and 180 hp and 3 significant variants of Spad 13 : 200, 220 and 235 hp.
Typically, the Spad 7 150 hp was inferior to the Albatros DIII, whereas the 180 hp was significantly faster.
The evolution of Spad 13 is parallel to the Fokker DVII / DVIIF ...
This is quite important to simulate the evolution of the french air force between early 1917 and the end of the war.
The evolution of the Spad 13 was very important between the early 1918 version and the last versions.

Yes. I did mention the different FM’s, based on the various engine sizes for the planes, integrated into the campaign for historical availability.
I tend to be a bit wordy so you may have missed it or I phrased it poorly.

I don't know if this has been given a mention, but I wouldn't mind flying a Morane-Saulnier N.

All this leads to another question (Which I don't think will be answered ).
Will there be a trickle release of planes as they are done or one big/small release at a future date ?
I like the trickle release option myself like the latest Fokker was done.

Only OBD knows for sure as the creators of the Campaign Engine. A locked area.
Speaking off the cuff there are enough resources and talent here to put any plane in the game right now. Granted it may not be as polished as an OBD product but it hardly matters (to me) as only OBD can add it to the campaign along with all the historical and Squadron research needed to make it right. Otherwise it can only be for Free Flight - or so I was told. I may be dating myself.

A plane, only available in Free Flight and not in the Campaign Mode assigned to squadrons, ain’t worth much to me. So to answer your question I guess only OBD knows if it’s easier to redo the Campaign Engine files once for a six plane release or redoing it six times for individual releases. Six planes would be a lot of work I think Campaign Engine aside. The .mdl files alone look very complicated and time consuming to me made even more so for WW1-style planes.

EDIT: And while I love any new plane (and the new Fokker is cool) I found it a curious choice.

New Planes:

Morane Saulnier Type N with deflector plates
Hanriot HD-1
Siemens Schuckert D.III / IV

New Variants:
As jeanba points out - rounding out the Spad engine variants. The various makers produced thousands of the VII and XIII aircraft, with several engine variants. It livens up the game if you're in a D.III Albatross and come across a VII (is this a 150 or a 180? you don't know).

I know this is the wrong thread, but I'd prefer adding more complex engine management features to each plane.... and at different altitudes to accommodate the colder air. I would be happy playing 2 or 3 careers and learning to fly their planes from beginnings of squad til end of war. Also, as mentioned in another thread, working cameras, true arty spotting, ships, subs, etc...

While, in theory, I am normally the “more complex the better” guy there comes a point where, because of sim limitations, it becomes a burden. Just for a broad example is the engine mixture controls. In real life, with the engine running in front of you, it is quite clear what the state of the engine is by sound alone let alone other factors. In the game not so much - least for me any way. I missed the subtle clues a real engine makes. I think the (a) game environment makes many things harder then they really are in real life and I have a list of about a dozen for aerial sims. But to each his own.

For full disclosure I have been running “Auto” on the mixture for many, many years because by sound alone I found it difficult to discern when things were optimal. Perhaps things have changed and I’ll try to switch back for some runs.

But a more “interactive experience” in two-seater missions like Arty Spotting or Aerial recon/photos or contact patrols would be very nice. I just wonder what form this would take. Especially artillery missions.

Exactly so do I. Due to lack of engine sound manifestation and/or EGT indicator. That is (at least I think) the only featureI have switched to Auto (lower realism).

Yes, I reread your post and realized it.

Something along the lines of the classic ReLoad program for Red Baron 3D perhaps? (That one applied many of Bletchley's suggestions for different engine type management, if I remember correctly....) Ah good memories - I'll have to fire up RB3D one of these days to see how the engine management works in ReLoad. Perhaps JJJ can whip something up for this in Java.... I basically use my rotaries at settings of 40/60/80/100 or off, and mixture control and blip on occasion. Settings of 80/100 throttle work well for the Bentley/Gnome Camel and DH.2, and settings of off/100 for the Eindeckers, Parasols, etc.

Von S

I agree, artillery spotting and recon missions in RoF are very interesting.
For recon mission, a good variet of missions would be nice suuch as :
- Front line recon
- Ennemy airfield monitoring (overfly a serie of ennemy airfields to check if they are occupied)
- Ennemy transport monitoring (overfly roads or railways to check the activity)
- In depth reconnaissance
- Ennemy artillery battery monitoring


Salmsons are available in both First Eagle and Il2FB and they are very interesting to fly