#4493560 - 10/19/19 01:52 AM
Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Hello all. Just getting back into WOFF. I had a copy before the UE edition. I have purchased & am really enjoying the platinum edition. It has been working great, except for one issue. When I move to the rear gunner position in a 2 seater, my view is turned 90 degrees and is on the pilots cockpit floor. I have tried this in the Bristol F2B & the Sopwith Strutter. I am using Track IR. I did not see anything in the FAQ, or in a forum search. I am curious if anyone else has had this issue. Did not want to make a bug report until I had more info. Thanks
James Overman
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#4493574 - 10/19/19 08:15 AM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
[Re: Lucky Shot]
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Okay. I see what your saying. Have not flown as the Observer in...forever. I thought you meant the view was skewed on switching positions until you recenter (push button) the Track IR.
Unless I am hitting the wrong button (and go to Gunner seat seems simple) I am not going to the observer but some view just at the feet of the pilot apparently and am stuck there at a weird angle as you say. Then I go back to the cockpit and am “stuck” on the forward view. Lemme play with some more buttons...
EDIT: Okay. Hitting about 6 different buttons I am back in the pilots seat with TrackIR working. Thank goodness as I am on patrol. But yea. I would say “bug” as I can’t get to the Observer/gunner position in the Brisfit unless I am screwing up. Any Observer pros want to confirm?
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#4493587 - 10/19/19 11:52 AM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Yeah it seems some of the gunner views are currently messed with and without trackir. The rear facing position of F.E.2b is fine but the forward facing position is zeroed so that you looking starboard from pilot's instrument panel. What's even more worrying the messed up camera is not following the gun movement at all. It's also drifting around with no input (or trackir), the view seems to be following the movement of instrument pointers (possibly altimeter) rather than the gunner's weapon .
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#4493604 - 10/19/19 01:05 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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The devs need to be made aware of this view glitch. Same thing happened to the bombing views in Strutters and that was fixed. I assume the camera was accidentally nudged when modelling new guns, hence those views were affected. It should be easy to fix for them, but will take time, since there are so many. As to the Fee’s I remember there is a setting in one of the files that changes their behaviour from bomber to fighter. If I find it I’ll post it.
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#4493610 - 10/19/19 01:24 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Go to Sandbagger’s site and download the flying and fighting instructions on the General mods page. In the Fee document you will find this: First off, a word to the wise: ALWAYS fly the Fee in a fighter squadron, NEVER in a bomber squadron. ‘F.E’ officially meant ‘Farman Experimental’ but semi-officially meant ‘Fighter Experimental’. The Fee is MUCH more survivable as a fighter than as a bomber due to the different wingman AIs associated with each role. That said, you might want to do some minor hacking to make the Fee perform in a believable manner as a fighter, as follows:
Find the FE2b_sqd.xdp file in the OBDSoftware\CFSWWI Over Flanders Fields\aircraft\FE2b_Sqd folder. This is SQD without any number on the end. It should be the last FE2b subfolder in \aircraft, after AC1-5 and SQ1-4. In this file, find the 3rd line from the top (starts with <General Allegience=”0”). Go to the end of this line and you’ll see Category=”tactical_bomber”. Change the “tactical_bomber” to “fighter_bomber”. This will give your AI wingmen a slight semblance of survival instinct, which makes a huge difference in the enjoyment,, frustration index.
Without this change, all AI Fees act like conventional tractor 2-seaters, which means they fly along straight and level; thus they are easy meat. With this change, AI Fees in your squadron ONLY will rely less on a rear defence that isn’t really there, although they will still be quite sluggish so won’t chase down Huns for you. They will, however, respond better to wingman commands in a dogfight and do a better job simulating the ‘Lufbery Circle’ that Fees performed as a matter of course in real life. Note to self: remember to change this setting.
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#4493615 - 10/19/19 01:46 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Thanks for the reply. This is a great game with a great community. I will send a bug report per the FAQ.
James Overman
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#4493616 - 10/19/19 01:57 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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I just checked all the F.E.2b files in PE and they all say "fighter_bomber" now.
OBD apparently changed this, so this mod information is no longer necessary.
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#4493622 - 10/19/19 02:22 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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That's odd. I played a QC against four F.E.2b to test this but they still seem to be completely passive like most two seaters. Just level formation flight where the rear facing machine gun has no angle to shoot at the pursuers. Maybe the lack of fixed forward facing machine gun is messing with the AI and defaults it back to two-seater behavior?
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#4493642 - 10/19/19 03:58 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Uh oh. Or there is something else in the mix hardcoded. Just checked a few and they all have same category of fighter_bomber. Seems to be hardcoded.
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#4493653 - 10/19/19 04:51 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Makes sense in the computer world. 2d should be good then. And probably could add a “invisible no ammo gun” to the 2b to trick the .exe That is what I (and not only I) have recommended to Pol but without success :-(. Probably due to low interest from flying community?
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#4493656 - 10/19/19 05:50 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Oh I think there is plenty of interest in a viable Fee for player pilots. And for the simulation in general. What Alb pilot here doesn’t start drooling when he comes across a flight of Fees. Easy meat! Real easy. Too easy. I once whacked a flight of 4 (or was it 5?) single handed as they plodded along. A feel good moment but a good simulation? Or perhaps I am just seeing things through my eyes? Regardless of that to me, the non-programmer, it sounds incredibly simple. Just a (probably) single line of code somewhere in the 2b files that make the .exe think “fixed forward firing gun.” No changes to the .mdl file or .xfm needed as the gun is not really there. Looking at the 2d files and just copy something over. Unless the magic line is in one of the locked OBD only files.
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#4493660 - 10/19/19 06:04 PM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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And then there is the Roland that thinks it’s the Brisfits brother. There is a line somewhere, a very fine one, between a bomber acting like a bomber and a bomber acting like a fighter all the time. I guess I’ll say “Be the bomber when you’re a bomber but not the sheep to slaughter.” Good luck with that programming job. In this specific case though the Fee thinking it’s a B-17 is not working for anyone. At least regular two-seaters have a chance, and a reason to stay in formation, with the rear observers field of fire. The Fee has no chance now. May as well give it one.
EDIT: Is the 2d good? Anyone confirm? I haven’t got back to the sim yet to try my 2d career. Somewhat ironically started after I deleted the 2b fighter career as I forgot, till I was on my first flight, that I didn’t have a gun. Felt kind of naked.
Last edited by DukeIronHand; 10/19/19 06:43 PM.
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#4493709 - 10/20/19 12:55 AM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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Thanks,. I gotta say it again great game and fantastic community with responsive developers. Worth every penny.
James Overman
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#4493735 - 10/20/19 10:31 AM
Re: Rear Gunner View Bug?
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They were used as scouts, some crews even called them "Fighting Experimentals" instead of "Farman Experimentals". They should definitely be more aggressive than they are, that is depending on their mission profile and payload. Aviatiks should be a bit keener too imo.
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