#4493397 - 10/18/19 03:58 AM
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Still no joy on getting my hands on the ugly RAF kit i want, only a 1/72 version of it in stock which is too small for my eyes let alone my fumbly fingers. I'm wanting to stay in the Pacific atm and decided to have a look at the Japanese offerings, tons of zeros and i nearly picked up a Rufe ( float plane version of the Zero) but decided on these two as i hardly know anything about them. I've always thought the Raiden was a bit of an ugly chunky little thing but it's growing on me, and the box art as seems usual for the time period is just too cool. Both kits are marked 1973 on the boxes but Tamiya seems to have slipped in updated decals as they are marked 2003. Very basic kits but at $18 each i couldn't pass them up and they should build up decently..and easily So, first up i'll knock the Raiden (Jack) and then move onto Frank. Both of these give me a good excuse for plenty of weathering and i'm thinking about doing a crashed/beached/abandoned dio with the Frank. Look at the paint on this Raiden, disgustingly awesome. and a reference for how i hope to do the Frank. I was thinking of doing the Raiden like this but like i said, she is growing on me and i don't have the heart to destroy it. Captured Raiden compared to a spit and Hellcat. Some old timey nice and basic instructions (they include the same again but in Japanese) decals and a cool as colour sheet, got to love this. The detail is pretty decent for a cheap as chips kit. The canopy, very Batman. The cockpit area was a ten minute glue session, very basic and open. The kit includes two figures, this guy and one standing. I might sit this chap on the wing awaiting take off. A quick trial fit, the wings over and under lap so will need trimming and sanding to sit flush with the fuselage, i'm used to this now The rest is decent enough, just the usual fuselage seam sanding and small amount of putty. Wing sitting perfectly flush at the front, once they are on the fuselage i will decide which way to attack the trailing edges. The Japanese don't muck around when it comes to armoured glass apparently. Plenty of gaps at the rear that will be filled and i'll cut that radio into a semblance of a square shape and add some detail. The belts are painted up Tamiya tape. Old mate awaiting his ride. The Batpit. This canopy when lightly pressed down fits more snug and flush than nearly any of the other kits i have done so far. You can see where the rear of the wings meet the fuselage is off on both sides, blade work will be needed. Poor bugger looks like he having a bad day, maybe he's ground sick.
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#4493465 - 10/18/19 01:22 PM
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Oooh, this is going to be good!
I'm amazed at how much improvement and detail are squeezed into kits by our SimHQ members - the red tip on the throttle lever wasn't missed by me.
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#4493480 - 10/18/19 03:24 PM
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- the red tip on the throttle lever wasn't missed by me. I think that's mixture....
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#4493521 - 10/18/19 08:19 PM
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Inscruitable Asians...why would anyone put mixture on the inside of throttle, towards the pilot?
Then again, the Italians had their throttles going the wrong way, so....
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#4493540 - 10/18/19 10:03 PM
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Inscruitable Asians...why would anyone put mixture on the inside of throttle, towards the pilot?
Then again, the Italians had their throttles going the wrong way, so.... So did the French.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4493588 - 10/19/19 11:52 AM
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Sanded the fuselage wing flare to meet the right wing trailing edge and sanded the underlap on the left wing to angle up and meet the flare so the tab didn't look out of place I don't know what it is with kits always needing filler here.. Primed, a coat of black and silver and i've decided to give the hairspray method a second shot, man, that stuff stinks! Sprayed the whole thing with decanted hairspray (extra volume!) and then let it sit for an hour before spraying the final colour coats. Oh yeah, i cut the wingtip light sections out as well and will fill them with crystal clear, i've been dodging doing that on all of my previous kits so time to start making it a thing. Underside Topside. It seems i should have given it more than an hour as the vallejo, weirdly only the green, had a bit of a reaction with the hair spray so i'm hoping it all works in with the chipping I gave it another hour to let the acrylic settle and then using warm water (which will activate the hairspray ) a toothpick and my stippling brush i picked away around edges and rivets. Some chunks had come away with the tape so they will just have to work in with the rest of the effect. This shot shows the reaction the paint had with the hairspray. Still to do the anti glare stripe in front of the canopy which should break up the green nicely as well as the yellow leading edges which will finish off the paint side of it. Once it has sat overnight i can clean up all of the loose paint and gunk sitting on it atm, smooth down the whole paint job, and get a better idea of where it sits.
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#4493679 - 10/19/19 07:42 PM
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Starting to run out of adjectives in praising the work.
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#4493686 - 10/19/19 09:11 PM
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#4493861 - 10/21/19 06:52 AM
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Thanks chaps. One cool thing i have found out during this build was when i was looking for the correct wheel well colours and stumbled on the 'Aotake colour' debate. I'll copy and paste this here to explain it.. As a translucent primer coating the stuff was applied during many different stages of an aircraft's production, at the main factories and among the many smaller subcontractors that were employed to manufacture parts. A piece of aluminum stock would be stamped, then coated with a layer of Aotake to prevent flash corrosion. Then that part would be drilled and cut, then given another coat of Aotake. After that part was riveted into place within the air frame it would be coated a third time or more. The procedure was generally to ensure that no bare metal was exposed to the air for any length of time. Then, in some areas of the aircraft, a matte black coat of paint was often applied - as a further measure of protection or to cut down on the glare of the glossy Aotake, it's not known. It's generally accepted that there were two main variations of Aotake: a blue and a green (though other shades including yellow have been encountered). Some have suggested a number of different means to predict the application of either variant - time frame, manufacturer, or other. In reality both blue and green could be expected to be seen in any random aircraft regardless of manufacturer or time frame So you end up with these types of colours, these samples are both parts of the main wing spar of the same Zero. Luckily i had clear blue and clear green Tamiyas on the shelf so after a bit of mucking around with mixes ended up with this. The pic is fairly crap as the blue comes through more, appears the translucency seems to throw the colours off a bit. In the end it is neither here nor there when we are talking about some dudes model plane sitting on a shelf gathering dust but it is an interesting tidbit. Leading edges yellowed and ready for it's clean up before the clear coating.
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#4493960 - 10/21/19 10:22 PM
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I can attest from personal experience that the color of things like zinc-chromate can be greatly different based on how thickly it is applied.
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#4494074 - 10/22/19 02:58 PM
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I really like the way you weathered the left wing root where the pilot and maintenance people would have been stepping. Very good.
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#4494128 - 10/22/19 07:28 PM
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#4494320 - 10/24/19 12:33 AM
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I really like the way you weathered the left wing root where the pilot and maintenance people would have been stepping. Very good. I concur! As to color debates, it sounds like WWII model makers have the same ones as WWI guys with PC-10 (British brown/green) and Clear Dope Linen.
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#4494801 - 10/27/19 08:02 AM
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I had a mess of a time with the cockpit, ran out of Tamiya tape so i used some painters tape that i hoped would do the job. Yes and no The cleanup from leakage was bad enough but it also pulled up the edge of the paint so i ended up having to knock some of it of and then free handed over it, then clean it up as best i could. Pretty rough but good enough i decided after i had sunk a couple of sessions on it. Trial fitting said canopy, she was a bit off but with some angled pressure i found i could make it fit neatly. Of course when i applied glue to the cockpit frame on the plane it skewed a fraction and i could not find the sweet spot that i had moments ago before it had set. I used superglue in tiny dabs as i find i can use smaller amounts and have less chance of making a mess of the glass or canopy frame. So, she's a bit out of whack as well as having a rough paint job. Lastly, i just could not get that shot i wanted, normally you can get that one, two or even three shots that you really like and feel they show the lines well. No joy this time so i threw it in after about 80 photos, inside under lights, outside in the sun and with two different phone cameras using pro and normal modes. Anyway, after that whine fest she's a nice little kit and turned out decently for a first time hairspray job. I know now at least that i can achieve the same effect with about half the amount of the hairspray and have better control of my chipping.
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#4494814 - 10/27/19 11:53 AM
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Man, another good one. You have the talent, that’s for sure !
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#4494828 - 10/27/19 01:46 PM
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Very nice work Ajay I always enjoy reading your threads and watching the progress..Thanks for posting them Thanks mate I enjoy posting them as well and appreciate everyone who comments. Man, another good one. You have the talent, that’s for sure ! Thanks Grog, i still always find something that gives me a challenge though. That cockpit man You're cranking them out one better than the next. Very great job, and also the photography now does the model justice I want to ask my Father in Law if i could use his DSLR but he runs hot and cold so i need to find one of his good days lol. Cheers Colonel.
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#4494870 - 10/27/19 07:11 PM
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#4495063 - 10/29/19 11:55 AM
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Ok, let's roll number two. Some more cool artwork. Decals, unsure if they are actually 1972 vintage or just have not been updated since then. Instructions, man you would have knocked this out in day when you were a kid! The cockpit was ..well, not much. As usual, you will see nearly nothing anyway. A most exciting engine This is the complete kit And now onto the fun stuff. I decided i would give panel lines, riveting and stressed skin a crack. These old kits tend to have raised panel lines which i first noticed in the Raiden but wasn't too fussed about. So it's sand off the raised lines and replace with sunken ones. Having no fancy panel line scriber i had watched a vid a while back where a guy uses a pin and a mechanical pencil, i substituted the pencil for my pin vice and voila, a scriber. Luckily i also still have a few rolls of panel tape from my old job which will comes in handy as a guide. My first attempt and i had a few lines out of whack so putty and attempt two. Once the scribing is done comes the real fun. To mimic the stressed skin look i need to create a U shaped groove along the center of the panel lines, sand the grooves smooth with some rolled fine sandpaper and then get in there and polish the groove..and then redo the panel lines (lightly) and the rivets. I'm using a curved blade for the groove making (but stupidly enough bought the wrong size blades for my knife so i need to remedy that tomorrow) and just scraping away the plastic. By the time it is sanded and then polished it should be nice and random and not just a bunch of weird looking grooves. That's the plan anyway. For anyone unsure about the whole stressed skin thing, here's a Ki84 with stressed fuselage skin. and this guys tutorial site that breaks down the process really well and made me decide i needed to give it a go. Reproducing stressed skin Some serious next level modelling done by those guys.
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#4495660 - 11/02/19 01:26 AM
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Lol, if anything strafe the dog owners Looks like they must be on holidays which is good, i need the break. They have a rottweiler that's about a year old that barks at every tiny noise and haven't trained it and barely do anything except shout at it from inside, whilst it jumps at their back door screen wanting attention. The neighbours behind have three big dogs that they keep quiet except for when they are out then they can raise hell. Then on my right side the old couples old Ladrador died so they got a new pup, another big dog that barked enough that the council turned up so they use a bark collar now. Some days and especially nights the constant barking can just do your head in. We've had to ring thr council in the last six months on wandering dogs without collars turning up in our dead end circuit. People man. I've got to fix the rear fence today because the three dogs behind broke a slat and keep poking their heads through the fence and barking and carrying on.
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#4495710 - 11/02/19 02:38 PM
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Hi Ajay, I've been following from afar whilst on holiday. Cracking work, you've nailed that Raiden, one out of the top drawer. As to color debates, it sounds like WWII model makers have the same ones as WWI guys with PC-10 (British brown/green) and Clear Dope Linen. Try having an interest in Argentinian aircraft during the Falklands War...
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someone will tell me my colours are a mile off The same people who never post any of their work, if they build anything at all. As my grandad used to ssay "All mouth and no trousers..."
Gareth UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing. OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing. HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall. TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you. Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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#4495836 - 11/03/19 01:39 PM
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Jezum Crow, I guess we all know who's going to get the blue ribbon at the County Fair for Best Model Airplane.
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#4496756 - 11/10/19 11:37 AM
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Do you heat up Rosie the Riveter or it just punctures the small holes in the plastic not heated?
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#4496825 - 11/11/19 01:55 AM
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Looks really nice!
Wondering - historically, where rivets actually recessed, or actually slightly protruding? Flush and protruding. The Spitfire had both, flush where aerodynamics required, protruding where not.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4497034 - 11/13/19 01:07 PM
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Gareth UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing. OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing. HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall. TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you. Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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#4497271 - 11/15/19 03:32 PM
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Looks good Ajay. I'm sure you'll find a way to fix the "semi disaster" so you can't tell it was ever there, since that's what you usually seem to do!
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#4497429 - 11/17/19 01:42 AM
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Looks good Ajay. I'm sure you'll find a way to fix the "semi disaster" so you can't tell it was ever there, since that's what you usually seem to do! Story of my life ha! Looks good Ajay you not only build great planes but do a great job of presenting them.. Thanks man
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#4497748 - 11/20/19 12:29 PM
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Finished the meatball masks, never again lol. Next time i am shelling out for a mask kit, or at least a compass, and not being such a cheap skate. I ended up making six in total for the two different sizes, fuselage being smaller than the wings, and used the two that resembled a circle the most. Weathered the absolute guts out of them... Bad quality pic but the only one i have of this stage. I cleared it for the decals before i realised i had not done the leading wing edge yellow/orange so had to whack up a quick mix, paint the edges, leave it overnight to dry, weather them and then clear it. The decals stand out like crazy but i was hoping i could knock them back enough to match the rest. Weathering taking shape on the underside. The gun sight came with no reflector so i carved a small piece out of a battery packet as it just seemed lazy not too add something. All that wing work has resulted in, well, not a lot really but in sections there is a hint of the stressed metal look i was attempting. It does add visual interest when seen in the flesh, hoping i can get some good pics when she is complete. The rear top fuselage section i've touched up as much as i dare, mostly to bring the aluminium colour back as the black base was showing through so much. The earlier sprayed meatballs on the top wing are still popping through the new larger ones despite my attempts at fixes so i'm calling them a field repaint.
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#4498154 - 11/24/19 12:36 PM
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The skill and craftsmanship is really impressive.... and then I'm reminded what scale you're building in / how small all the parts are and the admiration goes up an order of magnitude.
Bravo!!
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#4498155 - 11/24/19 12:46 PM
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I’ll echo F4U.
I’ve seen museum displays that weren’t as good.
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#4498178 - 11/24/19 05:16 PM
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One out of the top drawer Ajay. The stressed skin effect is brilliant. As with many 'effects' at scaled sizes you just need to give a hint; to simulate, not replicate. (I love the rabbit / hare on the cowl. I have some projects planned purely because of the nose / squadron art having a greyhound included.) Get those cannon fitted and show us more.
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#4498196 - 11/24/19 07:04 PM
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One out of the top drawer Ajay. The stressed skin effect is brilliant. As with many 'effects' at scaled sizes you just need to give a hint; to simulate, not replicate. (I love the rabbit / hare on the cowl. I have some projects planned purely because of the nose / squadron art having a greyhound included.) Get those cannon fitted and show us more. You have Greyhounds goon? Meet one of mine, could be a model for nose-art showing all the elegance and dynamism of the breed
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#4498279 - 11/25/19 11:32 AM
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Half your luck Wheels! I've seen that one pop up on a few sites in through my build...and of course the many modeller discussions about its markings and colours Great looking plane the Jack, i really came to like it during my build, the Ki84 not so much. BD, that dog looks like it has had a hard night lol! Completed shots. and the two together, i call them Laurel and Hardy Couple of issues you may not notice on a first waltz through the pics- The front of the canopy would not seal down tight on the nose, something i should have sorted pre paint stage, same with the rear section that sits proud. The middle section of the canopy doesn't line up with anything so i left it unglued and just sat it where needed for the shots. For display i will have to glue it open otherwise i will definitely lose it. There is also a nasty blade slice on the left side of the middle canopy that may not have been seen, once you see it you won't miss it! The nose 24 decal, you'll need to look at that again as well. The first 24 i placed went to pieces when i inadvertently placed tape over it when doing the wing leading edge yellow, i tried joining the pieces back but it was about as fun as drifting onto some trees in a plane with no fuel I had to place the remaining 24 decal over the remnants of the trashed one and then weather it and blend it in...but you can see i got it a smidge out and the original peeks through at the top of the 2. I think the doubling up of the decal there also didn't help with the semi glaring clear section of the decal that appears thick. I should have trimmed the numbers out in hindsight. The wing lamp lens area needed more attention but by the time i started looking at it seriously i had already painted and was in..that's good enough mode. It did get some trimming and sanding and i was just happy it ended up sitting as flush as it is. Still, both really decent kits for such a cheap price and any headaches were mostly of my own making. Really chuffed with how both of them have turned out. Thanks once again for all the appreciation guys, it's been a cool couple of builds.
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#4498286 - 11/25/19 12:39 PM
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We've had a couple of lurchers BD. Ali was a collie / greyhound cross we had until 2006. Ted was saluki / grey / deerhound cross. He died almost a year ago, at 14 or 15 years of age. He used to keep me company down in the shed, and get in the way a bit! No chance of getting to the sprayboothh when he was down here. He was a big lad. And something of an athlete in his day. He also had a variety of poses similar to yours when sleeping, and a wayward tongue. We miss him a lot, and we've just started looking for his successor. Although is has been nice being able to sit on the sofa as and when I want to!
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#4498296 - 11/25/19 01:20 PM
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Outstanding work Ajay and got to say reading your posts was very enjoyable for me,,, M8 you are light years away from the modeling I did as as a young pup.. Thanks mate. I don't think i would want to see what one of my kits as a kid looked like now. No patience back then, but they were still fun to do. Goon, there is some weird looking dude in your shed! In all seriousness though, that bottom pic is a fantastically good shot.
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#4498316 - 11/25/19 04:27 PM
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I would be remiss in not complimenting you not just on the superior model making skills, but the photography.
Simply expert.
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#4498347 - 11/25/19 11:41 PM
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#4498367 - 11/26/19 04:45 AM
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Really nice work on these builds, Ajay. Thanks for posting the logs, they are fun to follow.
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#4498375 - 11/26/19 08:13 AM
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Thanks Ajay, he was a handsome lad. (Apologies for slightly derailing your thread.)
That 1/24 DR.1 is stunning, lots of extra work involved. Fancy rigging something Ajay?!
Gareth UNDERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the front wing. OVERSTEER - is when you hit the wall with the back wing. HORSEPOWER - is how fast you hit the wall. TORQUE - is how far you can take the wall with you. Read my scale modelling blog at www.latibuliser.com or mfhmazda787.com
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#4498376 - 11/26/19 09:28 AM
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I've looked at a few WWI jobs, some beautiful aircraft. I'll be dipping my toes in the water next year. Really nice work on these builds, Ajay. Thanks for posting the logs, they are fun to follow. Cheers mate Thanks Ajay, he was a handsome lad. (Apologies for slightly derailing your thread.)
That 1/24 DR.1 is stunning, lots of extra work involved. Fancy rigging something Ajay?! Derail away Goon, it ain't modelling without sone sort of hairy animal hanging around. Regards WWI stuff, 've been poking around looking at builds and kits and will be biting the bullet on one next year. A bit intimidating but they look gorgeous.
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#4498382 - 11/26/19 11:55 AM
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: Superb as usual. A question tho. What units are the a/c from? : :
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4498388 - 11/26/19 12:47 PM
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I think those two are Japanese.
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#4498394 - 11/26/19 01:38 PM
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I think those two are Japanese. LOL
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#4498400 - 11/26/19 03:10 PM
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I think those two are Japanese. Good call OG..LOL
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#4498407 - 11/26/19 04:51 PM
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I think those two are Japanese. You sure?
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4498437 - 11/26/19 10:30 PM
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: Superb as usual. A question tho. What units are the a/c from? : : The Jack is Lt. Sadaaki Akamatsu's of 302 Flying Group out of Atsugi Air Base from March '44 until August '45. Wiki info The Imperial Japanese Navy constructed the base in 1938 to house the 302nd Kokutai, one of the Navy's most formidable fighter squadrons during World War II. Aircraft based at Atsugi shot down more than 300 American bombers during the firebombings of 1945.[citation needed] After Japan's surrender, many of Atsugi's pilots refused to follow Hirohito's order to lay down their arms, and took to the skies to drop leaflets on Tokyo and Yokohama urging locals to resist the Americans. Eventually, these pilots gave up and left Atsugi.
General Douglas MacArthur arrived at Atsugi on 30 August to accept Japan's surrender. The Frank is Staff Sergeant Joten Naito of the Kurai Unit of the 502nd Temporary Interception Corps flying out of Nakatsu Airfield from March to May '45. Naitos aircraft also has no center bar on the front cockpit canopy, it's there but you just don't paint it
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#4498449 - 11/27/19 12:24 AM
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I don’t buy the 300 bombers claim. That means the rest of Japans air defenses destroyed almost none.
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Imagine being a 17 to 18 yr old kid. You get a few hours basic flight training and you get one of these monsters to "fly and kill the gaijin!" Same for the German kids..."save the fatherland".
Just talking about the "Oh FRAC" factor, not the right/wrong or the politics of it the war.
Awesome models man. Seriously.
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#4498470 - 11/27/19 08:31 AM
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I don’t buy the 300 bombers claim. That means the rest of Japans air defenses destroyed almost none. No idea myself, my old man used to have a couple of fantastic in depth books about the fire bombing of Japan i read as a teen and i've never been able to find out whay they were. They would have been at least '70's publications, and have probably been surpassed by now anyway. I reckon we could dig out some pretty good stats from the net. Imagine being a 17 to 18 yr old kid. You get a few hours basic flight training and you get one of these monsters to "fly and kill the gaijin!" Same for the German kids..."save the fatherland".
Just talking about the "Oh FRAC" factor, not the right/wrong or the politics of it the war.
Awesome models man. Seriously. Yeah um, thanks but no thanks, i'll tend my farm out in the wilderness, sir
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Here is a quick check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan5th Air Force: 31 aircraft 7th Air Force: 12 aircraft VII Fighter Command: 157 aircraft 91 killed 20th Air Force: 414 aircraft over 2,600 killed[2] “ The Twentieth Air Force lost 414 B-29s during attacks on Japan. Over 2,600 American bomber crew members were killed, including POWs who died in captivity, and a further 433 were wounded.[2]” “Overall, Japanese fighters shot down 74 B-29s, anti-aircraft guns accounted for a further 54, and 19 were downed by a combination of anti-aircraft guns and fighters. IJAAF and IJN losses during the defense of Japan were 1,450 aircraft in combat and another 2,750 to other causes.[215]” There seems to be a crossover between the figures shot down and lost. The lost includes all losses (I.e. accidents, navigation, etc).
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#4498492 - 11/27/19 03:34 PM
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The Frank is Staff Sergeant Joten Naito of the Kurai Unit of the 502nd Temporary Interception Corps flying out of Nakatsu Airfield from March to May '45. Thanks Ajay. I think that the unit should be the 520th.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4498577 - 11/28/19 08:00 AM
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Here is a quick check. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_raids_on_Japan5th Air Force: 31 aircraft 7th Air Force: 12 aircraft VII Fighter Command: 157 aircraft 91 killed 20th Air Force: 414 aircraft over 2,600 killed[2] “ The Twentieth Air Force lost 414 B-29s during attacks on Japan. Over 2,600 American bomber crew members were killed, including POWs who died in captivity, and a further 433 were wounded.[2]” “Overall, Japanese fighters shot down 74 B-29s, anti-aircraft guns accounted for a further 54, and 19 were downed by a combination of anti-aircraft guns and fighters. IJAAF and IJN losses during the defense of Japan were 1,450 aircraft in combat and another 2,750 to other causes.[215]” There seems to be a crossover between the figures shot down and lost. The lost includes all losses (I.e. accidents, navigation, etc). So (the 20th)147 lost directly to AA or fighters out of 414 losses total. Thats 267 to mishaps/accidents and navigation losses/ditchings if i'm reading it correctly?
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#4498590 - 11/28/19 11:42 AM
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Army Air Force Statistical Digest: World War II https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a542518.pdf (takes time to load) See Table 165 for losses and Table 166 for claims. This is for the XX and XXI Air forces. There is also a US Navy SD.
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There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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#4498744 - 11/30/19 12:01 AM
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As always, one can take claimed air victories with a grain of salt; even with gun camera footage, kills are often over stated.
This is acceptable, as it hurts nobody to allow over-counting and improves morale....something the Japanese were sorely in need of.
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Kruzifix, luja sog i... German/bayrisch for wtf... absolute stunning work!
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