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#4493397 - 10/18/19 03:58 AM Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors  
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Still no joy on getting my hands on the ugly RAF kit i want, only a 1/72 version of it in stock which is too small for my eyes let alone my fumbly fingers. I'm wanting to stay in the Pacific atm and decided to have a look at the Japanese offerings, tons of zeros and i nearly picked up a Rufe ( float plane version of the Zero) but decided on these two as i hardly know anything about them.

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I've always thought the Raiden was a bit of an ugly chunky little thing but it's growing on me, and the box art as seems usual for the time period is just too cool. Both kits are marked 1973 on the boxes but Tamiya seems to have slipped in updated decals as they are marked 2003. Very basic kits but at $18 each i couldn't pass them up and they should build up decently..and easily smile

So, first up i'll knock the Raiden (Jack) and then move onto Frank. Both of these give me a good excuse for plenty of weathering and i'm thinking about doing a crashed/beached/abandoned dio with the Frank. Look at the paint on this Raiden, disgustingly awesome.


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and a reference for how i hope to do the Frank. I was thinking of doing the Raiden like this but like i said, she is growing on me and i don't have the heart to destroy it.

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Captured Raiden compared to a spit and Hellcat.

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Some old timey nice and basic instructions (they include the same again but in Japanese)

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and a cool as colour sheet, got to love this.

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The detail is pretty decent for a cheap as chips kit.

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The canopy, very Batman.

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The cockpit area was a ten minute glue session, very basic and open. The kit includes two figures, this guy and one standing. I might sit this chap on the wing awaiting take off.

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A quick trial fit, the wings over and under lap so will need trimming and sanding to sit flush with the fuselage, i'm used to this now smile The rest is decent enough, just the usual fuselage seam sanding and small amount of putty.

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Wing sitting perfectly flush at the front, once they are on the fuselage i will decide which way to attack the trailing edges.

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The Japanese don't muck around when it comes to armoured glass apparently. Plenty of gaps at the rear that will be filled and i'll cut that radio into a semblance of a square shape and add some detail. The belts are painted up Tamiya tape.

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Old mate awaiting his ride.

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The Batpit. This canopy when lightly pressed down fits more snug and flush than nearly any of the other kits i have done so far. You can see where the rear of the wings meet the fuselage is off on both sides, blade work will be needed.

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Poor bugger looks like he having a bad day, maybe he's ground sick.

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#4493465 - 10/18/19 01:22 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Oooh, this is going to be good!

I'm amazed at how much improvement and detail are squeezed into kits by our SimHQ members - the red tip on the throttle lever wasn't missed by me.


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#4493480 - 10/18/19 03:24 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
- the red tip on the throttle lever wasn't missed by me.


I think that's mixture....

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#4493521 - 10/18/19 08:19 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Inscruitable Asians...why would anyone put mixture on the inside of throttle, towards the pilot?

Then again, the Italians had their throttles going the wrong way, so....


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#4493540 - 10/18/19 10:03 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
Inscruitable Asians...why would anyone put mixture on the inside of throttle, towards the pilot?

Then again, the Italians had their throttles going the wrong way, so....

So did the French.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
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There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4493588 - 10/19/19 11:52 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Sanded the fuselage wing flare to meet the right wing trailing edge

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and sanded the underlap on the left wing to angle up and meet the flare so the tab didn't look out of place

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I don't know what it is with kits always needing filler here..

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Primed, a coat of black and silver and i've decided to give the hairspray method a second shot, man, that stuff stinks! Sprayed the whole thing with decanted hairspray (extra volume!) and then let it sit for an hour before spraying the final colour coats. Oh yeah, i cut the wingtip light sections out as well and will fill them with crystal clear, i've been dodging doing that on all of my previous kits so time to start making it a thing.

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Topside. It seems i should have given it more than an hour as the vallejo, weirdly only the green, had a bit of a reaction with the hair spray so i'm hoping it all works in with the chipping

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I gave it another hour to let the acrylic settle and then using warm water (which will activate the hairspray ) a toothpick and my stippling brush i picked away around edges and rivets. Some chunks had come away with the tape so they will just have to work in with the rest of the effect.

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This shot shows the reaction the paint had with the hairspray.

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Still to do the anti glare stripe in front of the canopy which should break up the green nicely as well as the yellow leading edges which will finish off the paint side of it. Once it has sat overnight i can clean up all of the loose paint and gunk sitting on it atm, smooth down the whole paint job, and get a better idea of where it sits.

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#4493607 - 10/19/19 01:18 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Who am i kidding, the paint is dry enough and the night is young. Mixed up some IJN green/IJN black green and straight black and hit the nose up.


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I'm half looking forward to painting those exhaust stubs for added detail and half worried about getting paint in the wrong spots and making a mess of it. I'm really starting to like the look of this stubby little fighter though.


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#4493679 - 10/19/19 07:42 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Starting to run out of adjectives in praising the work.


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#4493686 - 10/19/19 09:11 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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well done

#4493861 - 10/21/19 06:52 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Thanks chaps.

One cool thing i have found out during this build was when i was looking for the correct wheel well colours and stumbled on the 'Aotake colour' debate. I'll copy and paste this here to explain it..

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As a translucent primer coating the stuff was applied during many different stages of an aircraft's production, at the main factories and among the many smaller subcontractors that were employed to manufacture parts. A piece of aluminum stock would be stamped, then coated with a layer of Aotake to prevent flash corrosion. Then that part would be drilled and cut, then given another coat of Aotake. After that part was riveted into place within the air frame it would be coated a third time or more. The procedure was generally to ensure that no bare metal was exposed to the air for any length of time. Then, in some areas of the aircraft, a matte black coat of paint was often applied - as a further measure of protection or to cut down on the glare of the glossy Aotake, it's not known. It's generally accepted that there were two main variations of Aotake: a blue and a green (though other shades including yellow have been encountered). Some have suggested a number of different means to predict the application of either variant - time frame, manufacturer, or other. In reality both blue and green could be expected to be seen in any random aircraft regardless of manufacturer or time frame


So you end up with these types of colours, these samples are both parts of the main wing spar of the same Zero.

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Luckily i had clear blue and clear green Tamiyas on the shelf so after a bit of mucking around with mixes ended up with this. The pic is fairly crap as the blue comes through more, appears the translucency seems to throw the colours off a bit.

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In the end it is neither here nor there when we are talking about some dudes model plane sitting on a shelf gathering dust but it is an interesting tidbit.


Leading edges yellowed and ready for it's clean up before the clear coating.

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#4493900 - 10/21/19 01:48 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Aotoke debate always seemed to be v. similar to the 'zinc chromate' debate to me

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2004/01/stuff_eng_interior_colours_us.htm

#4493960 - 10/21/19 10:22 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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I can attest from personal experience that the color of things like zinc-chromate can be greatly different based on how thickly it is applied.


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#4493980 - 10/22/19 01:57 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Zinc chromate, rlm, aotake and raf cockpit green. I'm sure if we had time travel modellers would be first in line to get paint chips, and then still disagree. Some of the threads are an entertaining read though biggrin


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#4494064 - 10/22/19 02:27 PM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Decals and a thin dark oil wash on, she looks terrible with the shiny clear coat on and i can't wait to flatten it out once i have washed the underside. The decals needed a lot of decal solution, very thick and resistant to settling in the panel lines but came good after a couple of hours. I took some fine grit sand paper to them to knock back the shine and scuff them up a bit with mixed results. I need to look into decal masks so i can just paint my own and have them new or faded, chipped etc.

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I really like the way you weathered the left wing root where the pilot and maintenance people would have been stepping. Very good.


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#4494320 - 10/24/19 12:33 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
I really like the way you weathered the left wing root where the pilot and maintenance people would have been stepping. Very good.


I concur!

As to color debates, it sounds like WWII model makers have the same ones as WWI guys with PC-10 (British brown/green) and Clear Dope Linen.

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#4494801 - 10/27/19 08:02 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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I had a mess of a time with the cockpit, ran out of Tamiya tape so i used some painters tape that i hoped would do the job. Yes and no smile The cleanup from leakage was bad enough but it also pulled up the edge of the paint so i ended up having to knock some of it of and then free handed over it, then clean it up as best i could. Pretty rough but good enough i decided after i had sunk a couple of sessions on it. Trial fitting said canopy, she was a bit off but with some angled pressure i found i could make it fit neatly. Of course when i applied glue to the cockpit frame on the plane it skewed a fraction and i could not find the sweet spot that i had moments ago before it had set. I used superglue in tiny dabs as i find i can use smaller amounts and have less chance of making a mess of the glass or canopy frame. So, she's a bit out of whack as well as having a rough paint job.

Lastly, i just could not get that shot i wanted, normally you can get that one, two or even three shots that you really like and feel they show the lines well. No joy this time so i threw it in after about 80 photos, inside under lights, outside in the sun and with two different phone cameras using pro and normal modes. Anyway, after that whine fest biggrin she's a nice little kit and turned out decently for a first time hairspray job. I know now at least that i can achieve the same effect with about half the amount of the hairspray and have better control of my chipping.


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#4494811 - 10/27/19 11:32 AM Re: Jack and Frank, the Japanese interceptors [Re: Ajay]  
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Very nice work Ajay I always enjoy reading your threads and watching the progress..Thanks for posting them


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