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#4492913 - 10/14/19 08:35 PM PE skins issue  
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No Nieuport 23 skins are available in PE 5.01.

#4492915 - 10/14/19 08:50 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Ooo I just logged off but am pending a 23 but what do you mean exactly?
No skins not even the Squadron default?

#4492917 - 10/14/19 09:20 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Well, it shows "squadron default" but it means there's one and only one skin available even though there are several different skins included in the skins pack.

#4492918 - 10/14/19 09:38 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Now I've become more confused. I'm in Escadrille 38 in Jan. 17. I was assigned a Nieuport 23-Vickers and that gives no options for skins. I looked at the names of the skins within the game. Some specify that they are for N23-Lewis and some are just N23 with no indication of which gun. When I go to Quick Combat it shows only one N23, with no indication of which gun it has. QC also forced me to use the default skin.

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#4492921 - 10/14/19 09:50 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Off the top I would say the “23 Lewis” is the British version and unless you have HA’s in your Squadron everyone will have the default Squadron skin - but I am not at my computer actively looking so I may be talking out my arse a bit. Without digging in my books I have to guess N38 must have had at least one ace during their Nieuport time - maybe not. A lot of French Units had limited success.
Also Escadrille 38 sounds familiar...have you been to Sandbaggers website and looked at the WOFF Skin Packs? Plenty of the French units are getting love with the add-ons that I believe are, in some cases, fixing issues. I’m a bit of a plane skin junky and get everything available- if not for me then to see them on my target.

#4492923 - 10/14/19 10:18 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Being the curious type in regards to all things involving WW1 aviation I looked up N38.
There were several aces assigned to the unit (sometimes achieving acedom after leaving) during its 3 year history and went to Spad VII’s in the fall of 1917 which, with it and the XIII, the unit scored the bulk of its victories. 98 total for the war.
In looking at the “ace rolls” I am not convinced they had any during their 23 time but my info is sketchy on exact dates. And to expect OBD to include everything, while a fantasy of mine, is not realistic.
Maybe one of our French experts has more details. Looking forward to checking out the Skin folder.

#4492929 - 10/14/19 10:43 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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I think his point is that there are no available skins for French Nieuport 23 in the entire game. Open QC for the French, pick Neuport 23 and there's only the default skin for the plane. I guess some filename prefix has been accidentally altered.

#4492930 - 10/14/19 11:18 PM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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http://www.thatoneplease.co/UpdatedskinsWOFF.html

On my phone so I can’t check the exact file contents of the 48MB download, but scroll down the page to the Nieuport 23 Skin Pack.
“Introduces new or corrected skins...”

Clearly at one time or another a French Ace was in a N23 but, as I stated, to expect OBD to include a custom Skin for each ace, in every plane type they ever flew, is not realistic. Guess we’ll throw Squadron defaults for every Squadron in that category also. And I have yet to fly French.

#4492935 - 10/15/19 12:23 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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I have the Nieuport 23 skin pack installed but there's literally not a single alternative skin for the plane available in-game. Not squadron defaults, not ace skins, only the one and only absolute-default skin. The issue isn't with the files not being there (I checked), the game is just not looking for the correct files I suppose.

#4492938 - 10/15/19 12:45 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Then (again not being on my machine) I believe it is an issue with the campaign files as you say and “fixable” only by OBD if I am understanding this all via the texted word. With some file renaming you can change the default Squadron skin and you always have the option to pick your own - which I personally save till I achieve acedom. smile

EDIT: Wait. You can’t pick (or see) any of the new skins via the drop down boxes in QC or in the campaign for yourself?

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#4492939 - 10/15/19 12:54 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: DukeIronHand]  
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Originally Posted by DukeIronHand
EDIT: Wait. You can’t pick (or see) any of the new skins via the drop down boxes in QC or in the campaign for yourself?

This...

#4492941 - 10/15/19 01:01 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Weird.
Is the naming convention radically different? Or a .mdl change? Dunno.
Sounds like we need our skinning experts to step in here. It didn’t seem complicated with UE perhaps something has changed with PE.

#4492942 - 10/15/19 01:14 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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There is a whole bunch of skins for N23. All default squadron skins. No HA skins and they all show up in QC. Maybe it's just your install?

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#4492945 - 10/15/19 01:29 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Correct, skins are all there. Even HA skins. So many to choose.... check out the scroll bar (red arrow). Maybe missing files?

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#4492949 - 10/15/19 01:35 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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That is odd. It's definitely not just my install since hoongadoongas the one who started this thread. Have you guys installed the 5.01 patch already or are you still using the 5.0 version?

#4492956 - 10/15/19 03:38 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Oh. A mystery. Looking forward to firing up in a few hours and seeing where I stand.

#4492959 - 10/15/19 03:50 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Sandbagger made, by my count, 106 Noop 23 skins. If you don't have them in your PE install, dig them out of the skins folder from your old UE install.
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#4492975 - 10/15/19 08:44 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Interesting. Another game twitch?
I have any and all skins and reinstalled the N23 skins just to make sure.

Like mvp7 and the OP I only show the N23 Default Skin in QC. Have not tried in a Campaign.
N23 (Lewis) show just fine. Its just the N23 with the problem.

EDIT: Just to make sure it wasn't some British Pilot/French skin thing I made a French career in N38 when they had the N23. Only Default skin available in the campaign and QC. No others show in any of the drop downs.
Why is this an issue for only some?

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#4492977 - 10/15/19 09:08 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Hi all,
Over the years I made skins for OFF and WOFF for the following Noops:

11, 16, 17, 17bis, 17 Lewis, 23, 23 Lewis, 24, 24bis, 24bis Lewis, 24 Lewis, 27, 27 Lewis and 28.

I recall that during builds for release, the size of the builds was always a problem, especially given the sheer amount of skins.
In order to limit the build to a sensible size, sometimes HA skins were not included and only squad defaults were.
It's just a guess, but if there are skins actually 'missing', then maybe some skins are still in the 'OBD archives' and haven't yet been included or coded into WOFF,
However as 'Shred' said, if they are listed in-game, then presumably they are coded to show and therefore should be available.

Mike

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#4492978 - 10/15/19 09:10 AM Re: PE skins issue [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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That would seem logical except some can see them (and thanks for your continuing work) and some cannot - like me.
Fresh UE install with PE and patch. Even reinstalled the N23 Pack (it was already there) and they still don't show.

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