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#4492209 - 10/09/19 08:05 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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#4492299 - 10/10/19 02:15 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Wow, nothing left of the fuselage. It's a miracle anyone survived the crash.


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#4492302 - 10/10/19 02:24 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Some updated info on the tragic crash,

https://www.courant.com/breaking-ne...09-lapaprst4fb5tmga2thspnrjd4-story.html



"Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board are looking into reports that the plane had engine problems before it took off."

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#4492321 - 10/10/19 03:52 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer


"Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board are looking into reports that the plane had engine problems before it took off."


I wouldn't read much into that. To bystanders seeing the crew working around, adjusting the engines prior to taxing out looks like "engine trouble". I've seen them do this myself several times.


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#4492327 - 10/10/19 04:52 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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I’ve heard unsubstantiated scuttlebutt that they may have been fueled with the wrong fuel.


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#4492355 - 10/10/19 08:03 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
I’ve heard unsubstantiated scuttlebutt that they may have been fueled with the wrong fuel.

we had that happened to one of our CL-215. Luckily we found out that it was fulled with Jet-fuel before they started the engine, but still, it was a pain to empty the tanks and clean it all

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#4493406 - 10/18/19 05:56 AM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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This is horrible to have heard of it. I got to turn the props to help start it once.

It wasn't a B-17G, it was really a B-17F/G. So that made it even more special.


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#4505876 - 02/02/20 11:48 AM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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National Warplane Museum Ends B-17 Operations


"The National Warplane Museum has had the honor of operating the 8-17 “The Movie Memphis Belle” for the family of David Tallichet and the Military Aircraft Restoration Corporation for the last four years.

In light of the increasing hourly operating and insurance costs in connection with the aircraft the Museum’s Board of Trustees has decided to cease operating the airplane effective immediately and terminate the lease of the aircraft. We have notified the Tallichet family and are working through the process of returning the aircraft."


I imagine insurance costs are going up for all the remaining flyable warbirds and that will be a large factor in the eventual ceasing of operations for most if not all, for as those offering rides to the public at least.


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#4512891 - 03/26/20 06:00 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Not good.

FAA says owner of WWII bomber did not take safety seriously and can no longer carry passengers


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The Federal Aviation Administration, citing safety concerns, has revoked the Collings Foundation’s permission to carry passengers aboard its historic aircraft, one of which crashed and burned at Bradley International Airport in October, killing seven.

The World War II B-17G bomber Nine O Nine developed engine trouble shortly after takeoff from Bradley on Oct. 2 and crashed as the pilot tried to nurse the crippled aircraft back to the airport. Five passengers who paid $450 each to fly aboard the historic aircraft, the pilot and the co-pilot were killed in the resulting crash and fire.

Four passengers and the flight’s crew chief survived, although some suffered serious burns.


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An inspection of the bomber’s engines found problems significant enough to cause the FAA to question “whether the engines were inspected adequately and in accordance with the applicable maintenance requirements.”

Specifically, the inspection found that magneto and ignition failures existed in the aircraft’s No. 4 engine. Magnetos, engine-driven electrical generators that produce voltage to fire the engine’s spark plugs, were not functioning properly. An attempt to jury rig one had left it inoperative, according to the report. A second magneto on the No. 4 engine, when tested, produced a weak or no spark to four of the nine cylinders it was supposed to fire.

Inspectors also found that all spark plugs required cleaning and that all of the electrode gaps were out of tolerance. Further engine inspection “indicated signs of detonation and associated damage," the decision reads.

An inspection of the No. 3 engine showed “all spark plug electrode gaps were out of tolerance, fouled, and revealed various signs of detonation." Inspection of the engine also revealed problems with the cylinders, according to the report.

“As a result of these findings and other information, the FAA questions whether the engines were inspected adequately and in accordance with the applicable maintenance requirements,” the decision reads.


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#4512910 - 03/26/20 07:05 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Wow, that is sad to hear. It sounds like the accident could have easily been avoided, and we would not have lost those people and a historical aircraft. I also imagine there will be a number of lawsuits, and wonder if there may even be criminal charges.

I have flown on their B-24 multiple times, so I might be fortunate that something bad didn't happen with that aircraft. Now I am hoping they can/will sell their aircraft and someone who is willing to maintain them will get them flying again.


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#4512943 - 03/26/20 09:37 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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That's sad and tragic. There is a group of WW2 airplanes that tour the country and give paid rides. I don't know if they are the same one as the B-17 that crashed. 2 years ago they came here and friend of mine was close friend with one of their pilots and founder. I could had taken a ride on a B-17 and a B-24, 30 minutes long, for free. They also had a P-51 too. But I couldn't get away from work project we had.My friend joked he will tell them to put me in the ball turret underneath it for the whole ride. Do they still have the ball turret on these tour planes or are they removed?


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#4512945 - 03/26/20 09:50 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Wow. jury-rigged sparkplugs tells definitley a bit more of a story than just sloppy or less careful maintenance...

Sad to think the crash might have been avoided.

#4513118 - 03/27/20 10:25 PM Re: B-17 crashes [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Aren't those sparkplugs rather hard to come by and rather expensive to boot?
Not that I'm saying it's a good excuse, it's just said and I'm afraid we'll be seeing the end of those old flying warbirds all too soon.

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