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#4487961 - 08/30/19 03:09 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Punkture]  
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Originally Posted by Punkture

I'd be happy if someone ported or reconstructed DID's EF2000 in DCS.


I fully agree that a remake of the DID's EF2000 in a new engine would be awesome, indeed!

However I don't think that DCS would be the proper engine for that. If I remember it correctly, EF2000 modeled a very extensive air war with several flights of enemy and allied aircraft flying around accomplishing their objectives and fighting with and against each other and on top of that you had naval fleets (there was at least a quite big Russian fleet with a Carrier and a considerable number of escort ships) and plus of course, the ground units. Such a high number of units/assets would bring DCS to its knees even if such setting was being run on a NASA supercomputer.

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#4488015 - 08/30/19 10:19 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: ricnunes]  
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Originally Posted by ricnunes
Originally Posted by Flogger23m

AIM-120 has around a 10 mile range against fighters in DCS so I think that has a lot to do with it. It looses energy so quickly.


Yes, that's indeed a fact but it's not the only issue regarding the AMRAAM (and perhaps even other air-to-air missiles in DCS).
As an another example, I perfectly remember a situation that happened to me something like a year or two ago while flying with the F-15C in a mission where I decided to shoot at an enemy Mig-29 with an AMRAAM. In this case in particular I decided to watch the missile's flight (even because that Mig was the only enemy aircraft in the vicinity) and what happened next puzzled me even further:
- The missile in this case initially flew in an apparent correct flight profile towards the enemy Mig-29. As the missile got closer to the Mig with the Mig flying a bit below the Missile then the missile flew directly and exactly towards the point where it would intercept/hit the Mig (lead pursuit, just as as expected) then I thought to myself - This Mig is toasted! - but then as the missile was going to impact/destroy the Mig-29 then it happened the weirdest and stupidest thing that I ever saw in any Combat Flight Simulator - Instead of just continuing to fly straight (which would lead to an impact/kill) the missile FLIPPED something like 45 degrees in an upper and leftward position from its current flight path and thus completely avoided the enemy aircraft!! It's even more stupid if we think that the missile at that point shouldn't have that much energy but it flew upwards just like if it was launched at that time! duh


I know I have said it before and I will say it again the A2A missiles in DCS are terrible. I just do not get how with the available data on the internet they cant get it right. Its a modern sim of air combat....at least get the bloody #%&*$# A2A missiles right. Off my missile soap box now.


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#4488019 - 08/30/19 11:13 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: mdwa]  
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Originally Posted by mdwa
I'm still waiting for AG radar before I buy the Hornet...


What's the latest on AG radar? I don't visit their forums message boards anymore but aware this has been bubbling for years


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#4488107 - 09/01/19 04:28 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: usafmtl]  
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Originally Posted by usafmtl40
Originally Posted by ricnunes
Originally Posted by Flogger23m

AIM-120 has around a 10 mile range against fighters in DCS so I think that has a lot to do with it. It looses energy so quickly.


Yes, that's indeed a fact but it's not the only issue regarding the AMRAAM (and perhaps even other air-to-air missiles in DCS).
As an another example, I perfectly remember a situation that happened to me something like a year or two ago while flying with the F-15C in a mission where I decided to shoot at an enemy Mig-29 with an AMRAAM. In this case in particular I decided to watch the missile's flight (even because that Mig was the only enemy aircraft in the vicinity) and what happened next puzzled me even further:
- The missile in this case initially flew in an apparent correct flight profile towards the enemy Mig-29. As the missile got closer to the Mig with the Mig flying a bit below the Missile then the missile flew directly and exactly towards the point where it would intercept/hit the Mig (lead pursuit, just as as expected) then I thought to myself - This Mig is toasted! - but then as the missile was going to impact/destroy the Mig-29 then it happened the weirdest and stupidest thing that I ever saw in any Combat Flight Simulator - Instead of just continuing to fly straight (which would lead to an impact/kill) the missile FLIPPED something like 45 degrees in an upper and leftward position from its current flight path and thus completely avoided the enemy aircraft!! It's even more stupid if we think that the missile at that point shouldn't have that much energy but it flew upwards just like if it was launched at that time! duh


I know I have said it before and I will say it again the A2A missiles in DCS are terrible. I just do not get how with the available data on the internet they cant get it right. Its a modern sim of air combat....at least get the bloody #%&*$# A2A missiles right. Off my missile soap box now.


Hi Dave, long time no see lol. Hope all is well.

Yes the missles as well as a host of other things are borked, but whadya gonna do. They seem to want the same things we do, they're just not in any hurry to get any of it done.

#4488108 - 09/01/19 04:29 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
Originally Posted by mdwa
I'm still waiting for AG radar before I buy the Hornet...


What's the latest on AG radar? I don't visit their forums message boards anymore but aware this has been bubbling for years

Best quess is 2 more years.

#4488163 - 09/01/19 06:21 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Fracture]  
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Hi Dave, long time no see lol. Hope all is well.

Yes the missles as well as a host of other things are borked, but whadya gonna do. They seem to want the same things we do, they're just not in any hurry to get any of it done.


Hey man how the hell are you? I’m back simming again after a serious long break.


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#4488394 - 09/04/19 12:13 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: usafmtl]  
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Originally Posted by usafmtl40
I’m back simming again after a serious long break.


good to hear. hopefully you will have noticed a few changes in DCS after the long break....

feel free to make public those major changes you see after the hiatus.

#4488420 - 09/04/19 05:55 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Winfield]  
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Originally Posted by Winfield
Originally Posted by usafmtl40
I’m back simming again after a serious long break.


good to hear. hopefully you will have noticed a few changes in DCS after the long break....

feel free to make public those major changes you see after the hiatus.



Well the missiles still suck. The mission editor is top notch. The F-14 is a blast. I love the Persian Gulf terrain. I'm looking forward to the Viper, however shouldn't they finish the other modules first? I think I covered it all.


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#4490296 - 09/23/19 03:11 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: ricnunes]  
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#4490401 - 09/24/19 05:21 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: usafmtl]  
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Originally Posted by usafmtl40
looking forward to the Viper, however shouldn't they finish the other modules first?

Seems as if that is very far from their business model since they just moved a bunch of devs from 18 to "secure" the 16 early access date.
Major mayhem at hoggit even driving Nick out of the woods to make answers/statements and now they (ED) forced bigNewy to register at hoggit trying to execute damage control (no, not if you ask them but that's what it bloody is)

I do think the 16 didn't trigger many to let go of their money and that's why they made this massive effort to the hoggit community (that post they responded to, called "Wall of text" smile is actually very well written. You may read it here if you have not already done so: https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/d7kp1g/wall_of_text_eagle_dynamics_early_access_problem/ )

To me, ED is using early access to figure out how much dev time they should put into a specific module not risking to add too many features if very few buys it as I do not believe there's a rush of customers when the module is released 5 years later.
I do suspect this also applies to HB since the Viggen activity died mid-range (and soon after that 2018 was announced to be the year of content, haha yeah right - will be interesting to see the F-14 customer base when the same #%&*$# happens to them)


Edit: Anyone still considering putting dollars to the 16 should be fully aware that they will receive the same treatment as the current 18 early access customers just did when the next EA module shows up in one or two years from now (and no, you will still not have a complete 16 by then)

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#4490469 - 09/24/19 11:12 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Very diplomatic response by nick. Thank you for sharing then link Oden

#4490502 - 09/25/19 09:57 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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And another charm offensive by ED:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/d8vjn9/for_those_interested_or_concerned/?sort=old

My take is the F-16 isn't getting many pre-purchases at all and ED is in panic mode.

Yeah Winfield, he did respond in good manner but being old and bitter like me it falls all flat as a PR stunt (unlike to so many others at reddit screaming of joy getting attention from top-brass and in my world, pretty darn naive reactions).
My DCS wallet remains closed until I see results.

#4490508 - 09/25/19 11:37 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: theOden]  
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thank you for the hoggit links - interesting read, I registered there once a few years ago but completely forgot about it.

I should change my username to out_of_touch_ about_DCS_in_general biggrin

Originally Posted by theOden


who is nineline? Norm, I remember someone with that name from the early days of Lock On, is he the same ?

did not know that Nick Grey co-founded it, reading his post called my attention to EA, did not even imagine EA had become such an issue and that F/A-18 was not finished yet, seems that it is not.

with 33k members it seems hoggit has become an alternative to more traditional forums like ours, it is an interesting trend although I for obvious reasons prefer forums hosted by websites.

it must be tough to co-ordinate their message with such a fractured community, and hoggit is an area where it is a free for all. this nineline is at least doing something about it.

#4490509 - 09/25/19 11:39 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Has hell frozen over?


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The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4490510 - 09/25/19 11:47 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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I commented on Nine Lines post.....seriously, does he want to be friends with the people he banned?

It's absolutely laughable what has happened at hoggit in the last 24 hours. This F16 has serious flaws if even Nine Line has come out trying to convince people of the changes within ED.

And how many people on Norms post have bought into that BS.

**Edit: I take these words back, never thought i'd see the day I would regret a post like this.

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#4490511 - 09/25/19 11:49 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Tom, nineline is the new handle of SiThSpAwN since he made it community manager.

True, reddit subs seem popular but I do prefer SimHQ style forums since I find these much better to navigate and tat reddit style for up-/downvoting posts seems to be out of hand - well, I do find the red blocked ones more interesting to open and read so maybe there is some use after all smile

I'm pretty new to reading hoggit/reddit but man, if we are known to "hate" on ED/DCS I'm not sure what to call hoggit (and their insanity central floggit).

But isn't it telling, now that ED needs to figure out why something is wrong they need to go read on other places than their own forums.

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Originally Posted by theOden
Tom, nineline is the new handle of SiThSpAwN since he made it community manager.

True, reddit subs seem popular but I do prefer SimHQ style forums since I find these much better to navigate and tat reddit style for up-/downvoting posts seems to be out of hand - well, I do find the red blocked ones more interesting to open and read so maybe there is some use after all smile

I'm pretty new to reading hoggit/reddit but man, if we are known to "hate" on ED/DCS I'm not sure what to call hoggit (and their insanity central floggit).

But isn't it telling, now that ED needs to figure out why something is wrong they need to go read on other places than their own forums.


SiThSpAwN also came after my time, don't know him.

I sure prefer SimHQ (and LOF biggrin ) to it, too much work to find posts, you must be right about it being negative otherwise those posts by TFC/DCS would have been unnecessary.

It would not make much sense to me to comment on, knowing scarcely anything about DCS - but when you try to release payware when there is freeware like F4, the bar is set pretty high.

#4490534 - 09/25/19 02:54 PM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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found this interesting older article:
https://www.SimHQ.com/_air/air_100b.html


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Carl Norman ! that is the name I was trying to remember smile

#4490696 - 09/27/19 11:55 AM Re: DCS: F-16C Viper [Re: Sokol1]  
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Originally Posted by theOden
And another charm offensive by ED:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/d8vjn9/for_those_interested_or_concerned/?sort=old

My take is the F-16 isn't getting many pre-purchases at all and ED is in panic mode.



NineLine lifted my ban at ED.....seriously.

I think that as more aircraft are released it will attract many new people to the sim.
The release of the F-16 will bring a wave of new flight simmers in the form of those faithful to BMS.

I don't believe there is a lack in sales leading up to the imminent release of the F-16. I believe it has more to do with keeping ED forums as the go to place for those new to the sim. Comments from members who have been banned or have had issues with moderation of ED's forums would likely prevent new members registering. Hence NineLine heading to reddit to face the music so to speak. I must say, it takes a brave community manager to do what NineLine did over at reddit.

It has been said over at reddit that it is a PR stunt. Any 'free' PR is good for business, all it cost was NineLines time and that speaks volumes especially for the vendetta I have had with ED's moderation team over the years.

The F-16 will sell no matter what state it is in or however long it takes to finish. How many people own the f-5 and never fly it, or the L-39 and can't remember the last time they flew it. I'm in that boat. The F-16 will have a comparison being BMS, no aircraft in the ED lineup has a great deal of competition in a dedicated military sim. Its a bit hard to dogfight Cessna aircraft in FSX, and P3D I don't think comes close to the aircraft level of detail in DCS.

What DCS does need is a Mig-29 high fidelity level aircraft or su-33. The US are getting their aircraft released but with little competition from the Russian side. No one wants FC3 level aircraft these days, even those new to the sim.

The Hind will be the next aircraft I invest in, before the F-16.

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