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#4490252 - 09/22/19 01:04 PM UEFI boot order help  
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I've never been able to change the boot drive in the UEFI for this computer. I had a trouble ticket with Gigabyte and they finally said sorry we can't help you. I gave up for quite a while and now I'm back at it because I put in a new SSD. If I hold F!2 I get the boot screen and if I select the ssd and hit enter I get the following error.
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/F12.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/error.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/disks.jpg

The SSD has been cloned from the C drive with the Seagate Disk Wizard. It looks good I just can't understand UEFI and windows boot manager (win7). Holding Del during boot gives a different screen and there are four options which I don't understand why you need options. It seems to me you only need one single boot order list. The ssd doesn't show up here but I couldn't switch to it anyway because I can't find how to switch between the two drives that do show up. pu up, pg down, +/-, double click, nothing changes anything. Maybe it's the windows boot manager I have to understand but after searching and reading for weeks I'm still at a loss. At the save and exit screen there is a boot override and if the ssd is selected I get the error as above. How can something that used to be so simple now be so difficult with the new features designed to make things easier.
Thanks
Sorry I can't get the image tag to work

http://chambcra.freeshell.org/opt1.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/opt2.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/opt3.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/opt4.jpg
http://chambcra.freeshell.org/overRide.jpg


Last edited by Craigmire; 09/22/19 01:12 PM.

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#4490388 - 09/24/19 03:20 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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I'm not on Windows anymore so am of limited help. Also I don't have any SSD systems.

Get the Manual for that gigabyte monstrosity it looks like its hellishly confusing

Try remove the older C drive
The drive in question must be flagged 'bootable' - Use Gparted

Windows has issue cannot (or will not) boot from a non-primary drive. But that seems a np.


I don't use cloning but if I did I would use Clonezilla.

I think also you have to change the UUID for the drive.


Tools, Links:

https://eawonlinux.neocities.org/eolrefind.html

tools and manuals

https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html

https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html

https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/installing.html

https://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/index.html

GParted - GNOME Partition Editor
https://gparted.org/

https://gparted.org/documentation.php

gparted tutorials
https://gparted.sourceforge.io/articles.php#tutorials

gparted tutorial at a linux site
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html

GPT explained at IBM
https://developer.ibm.com/tutorials/l-gpt/

systemrescueCD
http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/

http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/manual/

http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/disk-partitioning/

http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/disk-partitioning/The-new-GPT-disk-layout/

Rescatux & Super Grub2 Disk
https://www.supergrubdisk.org/

Clonezilla Live is a small bootable GNU/Linux distribution for x86/amd64 (x86-64) based computers.
http://www.clonezilla.org/


Hope it helps!

#4490389 - 09/24/19 03:21 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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#4490393 - 09/24/19 03:31 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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#4490415 - 09/24/19 11:21 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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Thanks for the replies. From my end I see a good demonstration of the [img] tags not working. I see this:

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Do you see pictures instead of [linked image]?


"There is nothing wrong with laziness. The old saying 'The early bird gets the worm', just goes to show you the worm should have stayed in bed. So, when I volunteered for WW II, I signed up to be a fighter pilot because it was a sittin' down job." -- Robert Heinlein
#4490418 - 09/24/19 12:11 PM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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I can see all the images ok. I can't help with your disk problem though.


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#4490488 - 09/25/19 06:13 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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Do you see pictures instead of [linked image]?

Uh I have not more time to TS images, either your login preferences or browser addon blocking them.
Better you do this: when making a post for images, use attachment mgr. shrink them or crop them upload them to SimHQ, see:

https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....orum-not-screenshot-friendly#Post4343441

Anyway, sorry can't be more help. But you can't have 2 C: drives. try the easybcd or other. The easybcd I've head of before its a well known tool.

Someone here has surely had same problem?

Sorry I'm supposed to be the tech but frankly I basically retired because I don't want to service other people's stuff. Especially new M$ stuff. I could probably fix anything or find what's wrong in person.
Frankly all techs use search anyway there is no way to know or remember everything.

but anyway..

Found something:

Gigabyte. Its a problem. see this;


Gigabyte's Hybrid EFI

by Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com


Introduction

If you've read my other Web pages, you may be aware that I've taken an interest in the new Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and Unified EFI (UEFI) firmware, which supplements or replaces the older Basic Input/Output System (BIOS) firmware. I've used EFI or UEFI in a couple of computers, in VirtualBox, and as add-on products such as UEFI DUET, which enables you to run UEFI atop a standard BIOS-based computer. When my main computer's motherboard died suddenly, though, I ran across conflicting and confusing information about a particular product when I did my hasty research to find a replacement. Specifically, Gigabyte offers several motherboards with what it calls Hybrid EFI to enable support for hard disks over 2TiB in size. Since one of the motherboards I was considering for my necessarily rapid replacement was the Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P (rev. 4.0), which uses a Hybrid EFI, I wanted to know more, and ultimately decided to give it a try myself. Although Web forums in particular were filled with confusing information, a few news sites had more reliable information. (See the References section for links.)

Briefly, Hybrid EFI is a UEFI based on the open source TianoCore reference implementation. This implementation is also at the heart of UEFI DUET, which enables you to boot using EFI methods on BIOS-based computers. In fact, conceptually, Hybrid EFI is similar to using UEFI DUET, except that the EFI code is built into the firmware: Underneath the UEFI layer, Hybrid EFI uses an old-style BIOS—specifically, an Award BIOS version 6.00PG, at least in the case of the GA-78LMT-S2P I bought. Once an OS (or even a boot loader) has booted, the underlying BIOS becomes fairly unimportant. Contrary to the implication of many forum posts I found, Hybrid EFI is much more than just a way to get Windows to boot from a disk that's over 2TiB in size. To boot on such a disk, Windows needs to have a full EFI implementation, and Hybrid EFI delivers that. It also enables booting Linux or other OSes in EFI mode. You can install Linux, Windows, or other EFI-enabled x86-64 OSes in EFI mode even on disks smaller than 2TiB, if you so desire. I suspect that you can install in BIOS mode even on larger disks if your OS supports this, but I haven't tested this supposition.

Unfortunately, Gigabyte's implementation leaves much to be desired. Although OSes can see the firmware as a UEFI, and have access to the usual EFI features, the way it's bolted onto the older BIOS provides the user with few options. The most hyped and user-visible EFI feature, a GUI for setting firmware options, is lacking from Hybrid EFI. (A GUI isn't part of the EFI specification, and GUI BIOSes have been produced in the past, so the GUI is really a side-show in terms of EFI development. A GUI is a major marketing, but not a technical, feature of UEFI.) Furthermore, Hybrid EFI is a finicky implementation, which tends to flake out when presented with configurations that deviate even slightly from the optimum, as described in more detail shortly.

The Hair-Pulling Begins
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#4490489 - 09/25/19 06:17 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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ps also if this is a RAID system it would further complicate matters. Avoid getting a RAID motherboard. Avoid Gigabyte. Avoid mosquitoes.. lol

#4490505 - 09/25/19 11:06 AM Re: UEFI boot order help [Re: Craigmire]  
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Thanks again for the replies. I'll keep reading. At least the image problem is solved. The Firefox Ghostery was causing it. In the good old days before everything was so easy for the users you could select drive 0 in the bios to boot from and it becomes C: in windows and drive 1 is E:. If you select drive 1 to boot from in the bios then it becomes C: and drive 0 is E:.
Thanks

Last edited by Craigmire; 09/25/19 11:18 AM.

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