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#4490014 - 09/20/19 12:42 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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"Did you even read the article ? the navy classified this as unindentified aerial phenomena...not flying object.....they are considering this a natural phenomena not a made object. this says a lot.\
Also if you read about the incident you will know the navy tracked those objects with sonar when they dove underwater to flee the jets.[/quote]"
Ummm...now hold on. You say the Navy is considering this to be natural phenomena...and then stated that they dove underwater "to flee the jets." I see a problem there.
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#4490015 - 09/20/19 12:47 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything i`m telling you he is an Chat AI, notice how he is on all thread with most views, and after twitter was created he is more jaded ? they are evolving !
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#4490017 - 09/20/19 12:59 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.
You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages. No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight. So does a hummingbird.
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#4490027 - 09/20/19 02:50 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.
You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages. No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight. So does a hummingbird. Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?
Phil
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#4490033 - 09/20/19 03:39 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.
You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages. No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight. So does a hummingbird. Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration? How do we know these are the size of and F-18, and how do we know they have a pilot?
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#4490035 - 09/20/19 03:48 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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Panzer, the amount of burst acceleration demonstrated in some of these videos is essentially impossible with today's technology without telltale wakes and exhaust trails--none of which we see. While it is easy to scoff and dismiss these as top secret military excursions, when air force pilots themselves can't figure out what the hell they are looking at, then they have my attention.
You are talking about technology that you are aware of. Also, the average AF pilot has not a clue what is in development or in experimental stages. No, but he has a fairly intimate acquaintance with the physics of flight. So does a hummingbird. Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration? It's quite possible to protect the pilot from those forces, but the cockpit wouldn't look like anything we're accustomed to. As for allowing it to change directions and accelerate on the fly, well, that's an entirely different and more complicated issue. I believe that many advanced civilizations we encounter now would... a) Be benevolent or peaceful, more often than not b) Avoid direct contact with us or sharing of technology, seeing how destructive and wasteful a species we are--or be quite wary of such, in the least They'd probably be very worried what we would do should we get our hands on vastly superior technology.
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#4490038 - 09/20/19 03:55 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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Inertia. A hummingbird has very little to overcome. How much energy would be required to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot from virtually instantaneous acceleration?
How do we know these are the size of and F-18, and how do we know they have a pilot? I used the F18 as an example because it’s been implied these could be experimental aircraft. So, how much energy would it take to let an F18 move with the inertia of a hummingbird and also protect the pilot?
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#4490050 - 09/20/19 10:36 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019.
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#4490053 - 09/20/19 10:47 AM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful. As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did?
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#4490069 - 09/20/19 02:51 PM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019. We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.
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#4490070 - 09/20/19 02:54 PM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I just think that experimental aircraft can be small and unmanned, like drones, so I don't think comparisons to a manned F-18 are meaningful. As small as a hummingbird, which is what started this? Can we agree that even a SMALL experimental aircraft will have many, many orders of magnitude of inertia to overcome, and that inertia will have to be negated, not simply overcome, in order for an object to move the way these did? Precisely. That object wasn't "as small as a hummingbird." Physics are physics and can't be overcome. Unless you shortcut them, that is. But we have no proof that the material structure of that UFO is comprised of molecules washed of all their Higgs bosons. If it were... Well, spacetime would no longer apply in theory, not in a traditional gravitational mass reacting sense.
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#4490073 - 09/20/19 03:34 PM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019. We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it. Totally agree. And to the people that think it's rubbish, I'd like to know how the respected pilot Fravor got it so wrong. With his experience you cannot just dismiss his account as secret test aircraft. His account suggests craft capable of doing things we are not capable of creating.
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#4490075 - 09/20/19 04:03 PM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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I suspect Panzer may have worked at Area 51 and to this day still denies everything I'm just stunned at how many gullible people there still are in existence in 2019. I am glad people weren't gullible back in the day when the Earth was flat and the Sun rotated around the Earth.
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#4490081 - 09/20/19 04:38 PM
Re: The US Navy just confirmed these UFO videos are the Real Deal
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We're not all gullible. Some of us fully realize there is no empirical evidence that aliens exist, but we find the Universe far more interesting if they did. So when things like this come along, we hope finally, maybe, something will come of it.
I see - so somebody has visited the trillions of systems out there and proven that there is no other life - thought so.
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