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#4485563 - 08/08/19 09:21 PM Some thoughts moving forward  
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Just some ideas I have, and not necessary for developers (Mark/s)) to reply...

When and if we return to WOTR - go forward and do the Battle Of France Add-on - make it a paid add-on (not a freebie - you deserve to get financial rewards for the work).

Try your very best to get in 4 new flyables (including what we already have (Hurricane, Spitfire, Bf-109)) - I would suggest something like Bf-110, Stuka, Curtis Hawk (though some may suggest Dewoitine D-520 - but these were mostly held in southern France and saw very little action relative to others - and Hawks make far more sense (plus I will admit a personal bias to wanting these the most), and Bristol Blenheim.

Add in backwards functionality, sort-of-speak - if purchased this add-on allow Bf-110, Stuka, and Blenheim operations in the prior release (this would be an added perk/encouragement to also purchase a Battle of France Add-on).

As to what price to set it at, I am not sure at this point - that would be the developers to determine what price-point they feel would generate the greatest overall return on investment.

...anyways, these are just some thoughts I was having about the future of WOTR.

Thanks for doing exceptional work on both WOTR and WOFF UE. biggrin


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#4485679 - 08/10/19 12:17 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Some nice ideas there Redwolf,the craft you mentioned id definitely be happy with. I certainly hope more sales of WOTR can help OBD to produce more flyables / phases.
And i believe thats what it will come down to in the end. Hopefully after the review from Flightsim.com we will see more people getting into this brilliant sim pal.


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#4485691 - 08/10/19 04:27 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Yes, it is a brilliant sim..and yes I certainly hope for more sales and more additions/phases. But I do hope they are willing to grow the franchise. I know it's a give and take - need sales to generate growth, but you also need product to entice and also expand a consumer base. Over Flanders Fields, which has their large consumer base (relatively speaking), was grown to be that way - it didn't start with a massive bang of players, I am sure. I have been along for the ride since OFF Phase 1 and Hat in the Ring expansion. It doesn't happen overnight. I do sincerely hope WOTR can be grown and developed into all it can. It is a terrific sim and OBD does amazing and passionate work with some of the very very best AI and most atmospheric single player dynamic campaign systems - and what they have been able to achieve with a now unrecognizable starting base has been a phenomenal metamorphosis. Regardless of what happens, OBD should be extremely proud of what they have been able to accomplish on both fronts (WOFF UE and WOTR), and we as consumers are lucky to be able to play such true quality and atmospheric gems.


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#4485698 - 08/10/19 10:24 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Couldn't agree with you more Redwolf,some excellent points imo. I think even a flyable bomber atm would entice new players but that's just my opinion.
OBD create great sims I too have been with them for many years,I've actually not flown WOFF for some time as WOTR is the sim that's taken my spare time up. I really hope that this sim sells bucketloads and that Pol and WM see a future for it..fingers crossed pal.


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#4485715 - 08/10/19 02:07 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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You both make excellent points. I think WOTR has so much potential. Even using the current west Europe map.The opportunity is there to create a real classic simulation.

Developing the Battle of Britain further with additional aircraft is a must. I'd like to see the Italian contingent in there eventually as well. You can also go back and have the fighting in France prior to the BOB.

You can then move through the war years chronologically, starting with the RAF nuisance raids into France and Belgium in 1941/42.

The German bombing of Britain 40/41/42/43.

The maritime and anti submarine campaign.

RAF and American bombing of western Europe 42/43/44/45.

The Normandy landings and subsequent campaign.

The battle of the Bulge.

You can pretty much have campaigns spanning the whole war using the map already in use. If the potential is there to add additional maps then the Mediterranean and African theatres become possibilities.

It's a lot of work definitely, but imagine how good WOTR will be with all that lot. It's very good now....it'll be downright amazing with all the above. jawdrop


So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
#4485718 - 08/10/19 02:58 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Flyable Bombers plzzzzz

#4485719 - 08/10/19 03:13 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Simes this is me now after reading your post biggrin


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#4485729 - 08/10/19 04:10 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Haha Adger, I'm like that over most flight sims at the start, but most let you down after a while. WOTR has the potential.....that's for sure. I loved IL2 1946, especially with the Enjoyr campaigns added because it was possible to fly a career from Italian East Africa (or Finland) in 1940, all the way through to the end of the war, moving from Africa, to eastern Europe, back to western Europe for the Normandy campaigns and then back to the east until the Soviets reach Berlin in May 45. You could fly 400+ missions.

IL2 wasn't perfect, it certainly had flaws but it was/is the most comprehensive WW2 flight sim yet developed.

Nothing has come close to that since then.

WOTR actually covers a campaign not directly covered in IL2 1946, so that's a plus point straight away.....and as mentioned....it has the potential to be better and more comprehensive then IL2....that would be awesome.

Here's hoping yeah

Last edited by Simes; 08/10/19 04:11 PM.

So, we take off in ten minutes, we're in the air for twenty minutes, which means we should be dead by twenty five to ten.
#4485739 - 08/10/19 05:10 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Crofty]  
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Originally Posted by Simes
Haha Adger, I'm like that over most flight sims at the start, but most let you down after a while. WOTR has the potential.....that's for sure. I loved IL2 1946, especially with the Enjoyr campaigns added because it was possible to fly a career from Italian East Africa (or Finland) in 1940, all the way through to the end of the war, moving from Africa, to eastern Europe, back to western Europe for the Normandy campaigns and then back to the east until the Soviets reach Berlin in May 45. You could fly 400+ missions.

IL2 wasn't perfect, it certainly had flaws but it was/is the most comprehensive WW2 flight sim yet developed.


I still occasionally fly to this day with BAT or VP modpack,loved the original pacific fighters aswell. I personnally prefer IL2 1946 to the newer BOX series.

. I agree mate WOTR has massive potential and if ANY team can get the best out of the CFS3 engine its the OBD guys,i have my fingers and toes crossed that they can take this sim across Europe and beyond thumbsup


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#4485750 - 08/10/19 06:22 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Crofty]  
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Originally Posted by Simes


Developing the Battle of Britain further with additional aircraft is a must. I'd like to see the Italian contingent in there eventually as well. You can also go back and have the fighting in France prior to the BOB.

You can then move through the war years chronologically, starting with the RAF nuisance raids into France and Belgium in 1941/42.

The German bombing of Britain 40/41/42/43.

The maritime and anti submarine campaign.

RAF and American bombing of western Europe 42/43/44/45.

The Normandy landings and subsequent campaign.

The battle of the Bulge.

You can pretty much have campaigns spanning the whole war using the map already in use. If the potential is there to add additional maps then the Mediterranean and African theatres become possibilities.



Mate, we will all be dead by the time they get around to half of that lot... (come to think of it they will have kicked the bucket too!)
Unless of course they hire a shed load of more chaps to help out...

#4485788 - 08/10/19 11:36 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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smile I am sure we are pretty much there already (dead that is).
The mouse click finger is worn to the bone.

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#4485819 - 08/11/19 11:05 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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lol!...I can imagine that poor little finger is already several centimetres shorter than it should be! yep

#4485886 - 08/12/19 09:01 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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I bet it is wink. Sometimes I switch the mouse pad to the left side for a holiday biggrin


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#4488944 - 09/10/19 11:02 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Ideas are great, but it would take too much of realization.

#4488951 - 09/10/19 12:04 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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As it sits at the moment, there is only one active skinner doing skins for WOTR AND HE IS 72 YEARS OLD!!


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#4488952 - 09/10/19 12:20 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted by Robert_Wiggins
As it sits at the moment, there is only one active skinner doing skins for WOTR AND HE IS 72 YEARS OLD!!


Well, he obviously deserves a Knighthood, unlike some of the latest recipients!

#4488965 - 09/10/19 03:21 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted by Trooper117
Originally Posted by Robert_Wiggins
As it sits at the moment, there is only one active skinner doing skins for WOTR AND HE IS 72 YEARS OLD!!


Well, he obviously deserves a Knighthood, unlike some of the latest recipients!


Here Here! I second the nomination. Contact the Queen immediately Trooper!

S!Blade<><

#4488967 - 09/10/19 03:35 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Indeed and Robert is also working flat outs at the moment updating them to be compatible with the next WOTR update (and future).
Much appreciated Robert.

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#4489527 - 09/14/19 11:17 PM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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I hate to sound nego, but I'd rather see more work go into the engine. Lets get that directX12 up and running so I can check that box for the dx12 shaders and max this puppy out in the settings with 60fps. Right now it's a slide show max settings and I'm running this with an i9 9900k at 5.2Ghz with an OC'd RTX Titan. It comes down to the same issues as with prepar3d...legacy code not using modern hardware properly.

Great sim none the less, I always comeback to it with every update and have a blast dogfighting the AI.

#4489530 - 09/15/19 12:10 AM Re: Some thoughts moving forward [Re: Redwolf]  
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Skoop:
What do you mean by slide show ??? I have a i9 9900k, RTX 2080 Ti with a G-sync 4K monitor and I still have above 60 FPS 99% of the time.

And if you notice AnKor is working on Dx11, not DX12 shaders.


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