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#4488328 - 09/03/19 10:33 PM Motorbikes  
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Prompted by Force 10's thread about motocross:

Well today is the 3rd anniversary of the passing of my nephew after he ran into the back of another bike on a track day.

Last Saturday we had a ride out in memory of him, 34 of us in groups of about 6 on a 200 mile trip around the Ardennes. Not too long after we left on the trip I got rear-ended at a junction, I had to stop for the other road and the cars that were coming seen we were riding in a group so they stopped to let us out, I was just letting the clutch out and feeding in the gas when bang and I got an intimate view of the tarmac, I got hit in the back by a Honda Goldwing.

On a quick check of the bike it looked mainly cosmetic, left mirror was a bit bent but I could still see behind me with it...just!

On the Friday I had put new tyres, Michelin Pilot Road 4 GT 180/55 R17 on the back, and 120/55 R17 on the front, I had a weeping brake line and it had contaminated the brake pads so I replaced the brake lines with braided SS ones and thoroughly degreased the brake disks and callipers before putting in new pads. Now I kind of wish I had not bothered.

Riding out on Saturday was a joy, no more falling into the corners, brakes worked as intended, even with the heavy lump that is a FJR1300. I was enjoying the ride and the bike, not so much the 32c heat and the FJR's hot air from the radiator, my legs were burning going through the towns but out in the open and a bit of a breeze and it was back to enjoyment again.

After the bump I took the bike along the road and took my hands off the bars, she tracked straight and true and I could move her around with confidence without hands, great I can continue on the ride out. I gave thanks that my wife had opted not to accompany me, as a spill like that would have really put her against bikes, we had a trial run on the Thursday and she was not confident sitting on the bike, she is not really that into bikes and with the death of her godson/nephew on a bike she has been reluctant to get back on, being in an accident would have sealed the deal for her.

Yesterday (Monday) I took the bike to the dealer to get it checked over and get a quote for the repair, €3000, the frame that holds on the fairing is bent, front fender is scraped, left exhaust is dented, upper and lower left fairing needs replaced, mirror, and last but not least the left panier is wrecked. With the age of the bike, I've had it for over 11 years now, the cost of the repair is close to the value of the bike and the dealer thinks the insurance will write it off as a total loss.

Well I did have it for sale last summer but pulled it off as I still liked to ride it, but had been thinking of getting something smaller, might be time to get that BMW F800 Adventure that I had been looking at biggrin


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#4488330 - 09/03/19 10:48 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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Just sold my bike last month. Rode that bike for 25 years. Lot of good times and long trips. At least 30 times at Daytona. Hundred other bike rally’s. Couple close calls. One dump that was mostly my fault. Minor damage and just a couple bruises and one scrape.

Cellphones have ruined riding for me. Just doesn’t have the same joy that it used to.

Glad your dump was pretty minor too. Any idea why the Goldwing ran you down ? Are you submitting for his insurance to cover it ?


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#4488332 - 09/03/19 10:57 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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That's a nice hunk of Touring Iron, shame to hear that the two-wheeled jap bus ran you over, but happy to hear that physically you're okay. 3000EUR is a lot of dough for a little spill, seems like really bad luck. Of course Full-Fairing bikes are always more expensive to repair.

Friend of mine rides the XJR1300 since last summer and loves it - I suppose the two models are related?

F800 seems to be a really fun all-round ride, so you'll like that I bet. Might also consider a Triumph Tiger - the 800ccm is great, the 1200 a beast, and the "Sport" is a lovely do-it-all.

Still sorry to remember that you lost your nephew to the sport. For one reason or another I haven't been racing or riding since 2016 either. I need to consider either taking her out of the barn and back on track next year, or finally selling her, but it feels just wrong to get rid of a bike that went on such an adventure with me. If I had a good friend or friend of a friend who'd put her to good use in her natural habitat it would be an easier decision.

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Originally Posted by oldgrognard


Cellphones have ruined riding for me.


Yep. That had a lot to do with me selling my bike 4 years ago as of last week.


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#4488365 - 09/04/19 02:28 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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I'd consider riding again only if I were to move to a thinly populated area and/or spent most of the time offroad.

#4488382 - 09/04/19 08:17 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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I recall my days of leading ride-outs for my local HOG Chapter.
There were many, mainly older, owners who were 'fair weather' riders, and this being England 'fair weather' is in the meteorological minority here. So they weren't riding their big Harleys enough to gain experience to be confident on the roads, handling such a large lump, especially in a group situation.

I remember going for and MoT check, which has to be completed after 3 years of first registration and thereafter. There was a chap who bought in his cherished Softail with less than 500 miles on the clock! A common occurrence according the the mechanics.

I wonder if the same goes for 'Wing' owners.



#4488386 - 09/04/19 09:13 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st


Friend of mine rides the XJR1300 since last summer and loves it - I suppose the two models are related?



They have nothing in common other than they are both 1300cc Yamaha's. The XJR was one of the few Yamaha machines I would have owned. It's not happening now,I'm done with large capacity bikes.

I'm not surprised at the estimate for the repairs to your FJR Alicatt. I've prepared many estimates over the years and what may seem like 'light' damage at first can sometimes turn into a write-off,especially on a bike that's a few years old.

The insurance companies were a bit of a mystery at times. Sometimes their accessors would repair a bike I thought was beyond economical repair and sometimes they would write-off something I felt would be an easy repair. Guess that's why I wasn't an insurance accessor.


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#4488387 - 09/04/19 09:14 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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the dump was minor, and with the armour in my jacket etc. I hardly felt it, just my pride. I had dropped the bike about 10 years ago, I was stopped and my foot slid on the gravel and whoops it's on it's side, no damage thank goodness, but man what a weight to lift when you are on your own biggrin

The driver/rider of the Goldwing tank was not paying attention, under the traffic laws here with a junction marked with "sharks teeth" you have to come to a full stop before proceeding, even if you can see there is no traffic. I had just stopped while watching the few cars coming from my left, the first car in the queue stopped to let me out so I started to accelerate away from the junction turning right, I just got the clutch out when the Goldwing hit me.

The FJR is a fine bike to tour on, my only complaint with it is the hot air from the engine cooling blasting on to my left leg, in the 32c heat it was like I had put my lower left leg in the oven smile It's fine in Scotland but can be a problem in the heat of summer here.

The FJR 1300 engine is based on the R1 engine and is liquid cooled with 143hp shaft drive and is completely different than the naked XJR1300 with an air cooled engine at 106hp and chain driven, at least the XJR is a bit lighter than the FJR smile

My middle son had BMW F800 for a while but then traded up to a GS1200 last summer after not having a bike for a few years,

BD-123, bikes are very common over here and don't have the same "stigma" as they do in the UK, everyone here rides bicycles, so most people are well used to some form of 2 wheeled transport and riding in groups, today is Wednesday and later today there will be about 30 pensioners riding past the house here in one big group, it is part of the culture.

Oh, and we don't have a MoT for motorbikes, they are inspected when they change hands to get a new number plate but that is it, the car MoT here is much tougher than the one in the UK and almost freaked me out when I seen what they did to the car biggrin

Normally I ride at the back of the group where I can keep an eye on everyone and take my own time to ride, this time though my brother in law wanted me up at the front with him, ah well it is what it is, waiting to hear back from the guy now on how he wants to proceed.

Pics of the location, we were coming from the street on the left and turning right, view of the junction as you approach it, it was a Goldwing very similar to this one, one would say identical wink

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#4488389 - 09/04/19 09:20 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
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Friend of mine rides the XJR1300 since last summer and loves it - I suppose the two models are related?



They have nothing in common other than they are both 1300cc Yamaha's. The XJR was one of the few Yamaha machines I would have owned. It's not happening now,I'm done with large capacity bikes.

I'm not surprised at the estimate for the repairs to your FJR Alicatt. I've prepared many estimates over the years and what may seem like 'light' damage at first can sometimes turn into a write-off,especially on a bike that's a few years old.

The insurance companies were a bit of a mystery at times. Sometimes their accessors would repair a bike I thought was beyond economical repair and sometimes they would write-off something I felt would be an easy repair. Guess that's why I wasn't an insurance accessor.


I looked up parts, times etc and came in at €20 dearer than the dealer, so was not surprised by their quote, now I just need to know if his insurance is going to cough up to repair or write it off or he is going to pay for the repair himself.


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#4488432 - 09/04/19 08:25 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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I still struggle with the concept of "economical writeoff". I mean, I understand it cognitively but it seems massive unfair to me.

Person A has an older working car or bike that's suitable for everyday use... Person B causes an accident, the insurance makes it a writeoff due to repairs exceeding current sales values. So far, so logical.

That leaves Person A with no working car or bike and usually you won't find an used one for the same amount of cash either. So you end up paying a ton extra to get back to the status where you had a working car or bike suitable for everyday use...

#4488504 - 09/05/19 03:23 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st
I still struggle with the concept of "economical writeoff". I mean, I understand it cognitively but it seems massive unfair to me.

Person A has an older working car or bike that's suitable for everyday use... Person B causes an accident, the insurance makes it a writeoff due to repairs exceeding current sales values. So far, so logical.

That leaves Person A with no working car or bike and usually you won't find an used one for the same amount of cash either. So you end up paying a ton extra to get back to the status where you had a working car or bike suitable for everyday use...

Yeah, the bike is perfectly drivable and it is mainly cosmetic damage, but the insurance companies consider it to be cheaper for themselves to pay out the value of the bike than pay for the repairs. Here they take 10 similar models that are advertised for sale and average the value between them so for my bike that works out at around €4400, the quote coming in at around €3000 I should be ok to get the bike repaired but from the information I have been given it is close enough that the insurance company may still refuse to repair it and give me the value of the bike. If they do I will not be buying another bike in Belgium I will wait until I go back to the UK and get one there, they are cheaper and cost a whole lot less to insure. I'm third party only here as is 99.9% of other bikers and it costs me €149 per year, in the UK I can get fully comprehensive insurance for the same amount of money. When I got the bike I did ask about getting fully comprehensive (Omnium as it is called in Belgium) but it was as much as I had paid for the bike at €6000 per year.


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#4488514 - 09/05/19 04:37 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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I am sorry for your predicament Alicatt. That sucks.
I do drive my Full Dresser to work through rush hour freeway traffic every day I can.
I enjoy it too much to go to driving the Truck, plus I get the HOV lane usage. YES people are stupid, but that just makes me try harder to be the best driver.


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#4488520 - 09/05/19 05:42 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Bill_Grant]  
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I am sorry for your predicament Alicatt. That sucks.
I do drive my Full Dresser to work through rush hour freeway traffic every day I can.
I enjoy it too much to go to driving the Truck, plus I get the HOV lane usage. YES people are stupid, but that just makes me try harder to be the best driver.

I've been riding since I was a kid, yeah sure I have got it wrong on a couple of occasions in the past, but they have only ever involved me on my own, in traffic or riding with others I respect and understand I have a duty of care to the other road users. I have done a few training courses, one of which was for riding with a pillion for my wife.

I am fairly conservative in my riding, but I also enjoy giving it a bit on the twisties, after last weekend my son checked my back tyre, which was new on Friday, and he commented that there was not much of a chicken stripe on the tyre wink

I love riding my bike, and when I was younger I did so all year round even in the deep snow, but I love to drive, I'll drive anything I can get my hands on. My grandfather had a motorbike and sidecar in the early 1900s, my father had quite a few bikes over the years and I've posted pics of them on here too, so 3rd generation biker here! I grew up around cars and motorbikes

Where I used to live our next biggest town was 119miles south and public transport was 1 bus per day and 2 trains that took 4 to 5 hours to do that journey so having your own transport was almost a necessity.

I have toured with the FJR over Europe these were from just after I got the bike in 2007, and the other bike, the R1, was the bike that got stolen and which the FJR replaced.
Until I have had confirmation about the repair/loss I'm not posting any pics of the bike as it is just now.

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#4488572 - 09/05/19 11:48 PM Re: Motorbikes [Re: RSColonel_131st]  
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Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st
I still struggle with the concept of "economical writeoff". I mean, I understand it cognitively but it seems massive unfair to me.

Person A has an older working car or bike that's suitable for everyday use... Person B causes an accident, the insurance makes it a writeoff due to repairs exceeding current sales values. So far, so logical.

That leaves Person A with no working car or bike and usually you won't find an used one for the same amount of cash either. So you end up paying a ton extra to get back to the status where you had a working car or bike suitable for everyday use...


I could be wrong, but I think it's possible to insure to a specific dollar amount if you want to - but of course the question is whether it's worth the extra price...

#4489212 - 09/12/19 06:05 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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"economical writeoff"
Not sure if it is the same over there, but we are allowed to purchase a totaled machine back from the insurance company. The title is flagged (greatly reducing the value), and often you can make it road worthy again for the settlement check. Most totaled, full fairing, bikes are cosmetic. Acetone is the solvent for that brittle plastic. You can make a repair putty from old VCR casset.

I worked on 2 FJRs (NOT ABS) in the last two years. I like the bike, but learning to bleed the integrated brakes was a pain in the arse. :P nothing compared to a VTX 1800. That Honda engineer should be punished.

frown #%&*$#, it's been 10 years now since my Priller 250 has been on the road. It needs preventive maintenance, which is high on that bike. Better to let it sit then ride when you know it needs more love then I can afford. When I reach over it to fetch a bolt tray from the bin, you can smell the stale fuel. Though, I do get to ride each bike I repair.

The local, 4 cylinder, GL guru retired last year. The couch owners are overworking me LOL.

Seriously, look into buying it back as salvage if they total it.


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#4489216 - 09/12/19 08:07 AM Re: Motorbikes [Re: Alicatt]  
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I have to take the bike back to the dealer tomorrow (Friday) for the insurance guy to come and inspect it, my insurance company have said that even if the other insurance company says to write it off I can choose to have it repaired at their expense or take the money.

With the age of the bike, some parts are difficult to get/no longer made.

Sat with the guy that ran into me yesterday, he lives in the next town, he is not a Sunday rider, him and his wife are, like me, retired and he tours a lot on the bike, having recently come back from a tour around the Pyrenees and down to Pamplona for the bull run with my brother in law. There are some lovely routes there in the North of Spain, I put up a couple on the Best Biking Roads website a couple of years ago.

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Took these today with the drone, it's pretty darn windy just now and the drone was dancing all over the place

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Sorry to hear about the mishap, but glad that it was only property damage.


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Bike is at the dealers, missed the appraiser by a couple of minutes today, got stuck in the traffic between roadworks and the local airshow, he is coming back on Tuesday to check the bike over


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Just been paid by the insurance €2900 for the repair to the bike, Insurance valued the bike at €4500 and the dealer recons I can get about €3000 for it as is, so it is with the dealer just now and they are trying to sell it.

Looking at a 2013 BMW F800GS to replace it with, but still open to options.


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