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#4487690 - 08/27/19 07:54 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4487696 - 08/27/19 09:05 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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the Iron Cross can be viewed very much as a Vietnam War era movie, you could easily place it at Dien Bien Phu or Khe Sanh with some minor adjustments, that said, a great War movie.

#4487699 - 08/27/19 09:43 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I dont think that Hollyweird made many about the enemy side. However, I do remember a few in Toho Vision around the time that the Film Godzilla was introduced in the U,S. I think that one was called " Zero " Very loosely adapted from the story of Saburo Sakai and makes an Idol ? of the Japanese Aircraft. Strange ! The other was I bombed Pearl Harbor which can be found on Tape at some airshows. I suppose that Hollywood did make a lot of both side films for example, Battle of the Bulge , Bombardier, Enemy below., ect.

#4487711 - 08/27/19 11:20 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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Hollywood has no obligation to create those movies. However, we should be open to watching those subjects from the film industries of the countries in question.



I hope I didn't come across as insinuating that Hollywood was somehow obligated to create movies like these but I am indeed curious to see what types of subject matter and perspectives Hollywood won't touch or rarely touch.


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#4487719 - 08/28/19 12:53 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Night of The Generals is a little known film that I saw many years ago. It stars Peter O'Toole and Omar Sheriff. It's a war/murder mystery.


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#4487723 - 08/28/19 04:32 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Pooch]  
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Decision Before Dawn (1951). German airman acting as a spy for US Army 1945. Oskar Werner Cpl. Karl Maurer aka Happy, Richard Basehart Lt. Dick Rennick.

A Time to Love and a Time to Die (1958). German soldier returns home for leave from the Russian front in the summer of 1944 and finds home isn't the same anymore.

#4487731 - 08/28/19 11:14 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: iron mike]  
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Originally Posted by Pooch
Night of The Generals is a little known film that I saw many years ago. It stars Peter O'Toole and Omar Sheriff. It's a war/murder mystery.


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Decision Before Dawn (1951). German airman acting as a spy for US Army 1945. Oskar Werner Cpl. Karl Maurer aka Happy, Richard Basehart Lt. Dick Rennick.


the Third Man and Decision Before Dawn were both made a few years after the War - excellent movies

#4487743 - 08/28/19 01:52 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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The Sea Chase, starring John Wayne as a German captain avoiding Allied pursuit.


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#4487744 - 08/28/19 02:00 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Dart]  
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Originally Posted by Dart
The Sea Chase, starring John Wayne as a German captain avoiding Allied pursuit.



Interesting! I've never heard of this movie and it's pretty surprising to me that Wayne ever played such a role.


Still, it can't be nearly as awkward as when he played Genghis Khan. biggrin

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#4487771 - 08/28/19 08:23 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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There are of course plenty of war movies not made in Hollywood that depict war from a non-US perspective. But I suppose this thread isn't about them.

#4487804 - 08/29/19 10:34 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Ssnake]  
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Originally Posted by Ssnake
There are of course plenty of war movies not made in Hollywood that depict war from a non-US perspective. But I suppose this thread isn't about them.



I know that. The point of my thread was to explore WHY Hollywood has barely made any war movies from the perspective of an enemy nation. In other words, exploring the genres that Hollywood likes to concentrate on and the genres it ignores either for business reasons or political reasons.


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#4487818 - 08/29/19 12:30 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Hollywood makes movies that it expects to be profitable in US theaters; up to the 1990s that was the sole metric, since then international revenue has become important enough to tip the balance of some decisions. But unless there can be an American angle wedged in, Hollywood would never finance a war epic like Talvisota, and I can totally understand that, with the possible exception that a studio exec would want to deliberately burn money out of his personal desire for prestige or something. The film industry is, first and foremost, an industry. It operates on the understanding that each film is supposed to make money (or at least to lose as little as possible, even if you make deliberately crappy movies like the "Fantastic Four" series, just so you can cling on to your film rights and make a better reboot later)

#4487819 - 08/29/19 12:37 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Great post Ssnake. I agree with all of your points.


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#4487850 - 08/29/19 05:54 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Discord]  
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Originally Posted by Discord
Paths of Glory


That was about French Soldiers on trial for desertion by French courts martial.

They were allied to the UK at the time, and the US joined on that side in 1917. So not really from 'the enemy perspective'

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Movies about the war in Germany seen from a German perspective.

Cross of Iron
Der Untergang
Valkyrie
Schindler's List

TV Movie, rather than "Hollywood", but otherwise relevant:
Conspiracy (2001)

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Do civil war films count? If so then all of those...

#4487855 - 08/29/19 06:31 PM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Lieste]  
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Originally Posted by Lieste
Do civil war films count? If so then all of those...



I assume you mean the ACW and not some other one like the English civil war or Somali civil war? wink


When it comes to Hollywood and ACW films it's been surprisingly even handed since "Gettysburg" had the perspective from both sides and "Gods and Generals" was from the Confederate side. "Glory" was from the Union side only but that's understandable when you consider the subject matter.


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The Bridge. Made in West Germany in '59. About a bunch of German teenagers sent to defend a bridge late in the war. Not great but for it's time and being made in Germany, about Germans it was probably a risky movie.


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#4487918 - 08/30/19 03:39 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Dart
The Sea Chase, starring John Wayne as a German captain avoiding Allied pursuit.



Interesting! I've never heard of this movie and it's pretty surprising to me that Wayne ever played such a role.


Still, it can't be nearly as awkward as when he played Genghis Khan. biggrin


What I like about the film is that John Wayne plays a regular German; he's not a raised arm Nazi, nor is he some morally outraged resistance fighter.*

He's a merchant marine captain stuck in Sydney at the start of the war and not wishing to be detained, and the fellows sent to catch him are friends he know in the British Navy.

* There is some mention that he's cashiered from the Navy early on for not being a fan of National Socialism and there is the expected Nazi crew member, it's not heavy handed.


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#4487921 - 08/30/19 06:53 AM Re: Hollywood war movies from “the other side” [Re: Ajay]  
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Originally Posted by Ajay
The Bridge. Made in West Germany in '59. About a bunch of German teenagers sent to defend a bridge late in the war. Not great but for it's time and being made in Germany, about Germans it was probably a risky movie.

Yes, it was quite the scandal back at the time (which is interesting insofar as the actual scandal was the use of child soldiers by the Nazis, but you weren't supposed to debate that).
In any case, it's one of the few movies ever made that explores the topic of child soldiers (Johnny Mad Dog would be another one that springs to mind). But Die Brücke doesn't meet the constraints of this debate, as it's not a Hollyweird production. Once that we leave that criterium behind, the floodgates are open to list every non-US war film ever made.

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