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#4485871 - 08/12/19 12:08 AM ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid  
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Anyone else think it's strange they've been blacklisting serials that worked for years? I've had an A-10C license for over 6 years that is blacklisted as of DCS 2.5 now that I just finally updated to the beta. The threads and news releases I've read said I need to take it up with who I bought it from or get a refund from my credit card company... that's kinda late, don't you think? My DCS account shows it was bound and approved back in 2013. Does anyone else remember ED at the time claiming if you didn't buy it directly from them it might (be) a shady serial? All the threads on this subject on their forum look like they've been locked, too.

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#4485890 - 08/12/19 09:57 AM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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where did you purchase the key?

#4485965 - 08/12/19 06:32 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Winfield]  
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My fellow college classmate helped me purchase it and installed DCS and the HOTAS for me at the time. I know we paid online for it, but that's about it. Something about 'don't get it for full price on ED's site, get it from another one for half' or something like that. I'm trying to find out from him which site it was, but this was over 6 years ago and he's overseas. ED didn't say they have any evidence of someone else trying to use the key during this time, only that Steam requested it be blacklisted. Apparently Steam has a history of doing shady stuff with keys, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were selling more of them than they had or were also selling them to third parties then reneging by requesting blacklisting later after making their money. This is a long frigg’n time for this key to be bound to an account and then claimed now it’s invalid. Hopefully his email still works. If I can't get a screenshot of the purchase from him, though, it looks like I'm SOL.

Last edited by Reticuli; 08/12/19 06:39 PM.

The term "necroposting" was invented by a person with no social memory beyond a year. People with a similar hangup are those o.k. with the internet being transient vapor.

http://www.openfuelstandard.org/2011/12/methanol-wins-open-wager.html

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#4487260 - 08/23/19 08:08 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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If you bought it from a 3rd party site that sells stolen keys you're out of luck. They're bought with stolen credit cards and the charge backs financially hurt the developers.

To give you an idea of how big the issue is, game developers are loosing thousands of dollars to schemes like this:

Example

You're literally better off pirating a game because at least then you're not charging the developer.

Six years is a long time to do it though. I suppose from their perspective, you charged them money while using their bandwidth so it has been a net loss. So I can understand why but I suppose at this point they may as well have let it slide because people will complain and there will be outrage even if it was justified if it has been 4-6 years since activated.

#4546103 - 11/26/20 01:34 AM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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It was not bought with a stolen credit card on a 3rd party site but rather he's an Chinese international student (PhD aero engineering) who bought it for me on a legit Chinese site. Apparently foreign-purchased license keys are now a problem.


The term "necroposting" was invented by a person with no social memory beyond a year. People with a similar hangup are those o.k. with the internet being transient vapor.

http://www.openfuelstandard.org/2011/12/methanol-wins-open-wager.html

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#4546141 - 11/26/20 02:52 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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Legit Chinese site sounds possibly not very legit.

Note the message at the top of ED forums:

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Dear users!

Only DCS World keys purchased from these locations are valid purchases and can be activated in the Module Manager:

DCS E-Shop
Steam
Heatblur Store
1C, Gamazavr and YuPlay in Russia
Acealpha in South Korea
Any DCS World keys purchased from other sources are invalid and are simply trying to re-sell keys that are bound to other users or purchased through fraud. Such sites include Kinguin, CDExpress and G2A.

If you purchase DCS World keys from these sites, we cannot help you. We suggest you contact these sites for a refund.

#4546145 - 11/26/20 03:46 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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Why anyone would buy DCS from anywhere other than the DCS website or maybe Steam is beyond me.


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#4546241 - 11/27/20 10:12 AM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Why anyone would buy DCS from anywhere other than the DCS website or maybe Steam is beyond me.


I agree. If you enjoy a product enough to buy it, it makes sense to support the devs as much as possible. I run the Steam route myself, because I enjoy the benefits Steam gives me (I know it's not for everyone). One of the benefits is a very easy module purchasing mechanism, which I've taken full advantage of, or maybe has taken full advantage of me ;), such that I've bought many more modules than I "need", so ED have won out overall for sure.

To the OP:
I don't know why they're banning modules now that have been in use for 7 years, maybe that's just how long it took to identify certain bogus serials. I don't know what their system for serials is. But in any case, if they've decided it's bogus, I don't know there's anything you can really do about it, except take stock of the number of hours you've enjoyed your module over 7 years at a reduced price, and factor that in to your decision to purchase or not a better serial. There are often sales, if you got your original serial cheaper than a sale price, then it definitely sounds bogus smile


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#4547412 - 12/06/20 09:20 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: FlyingToaster]  
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This was WAY BACK. ED hasn't claimed it couldn't have been a legit purchase from a third-party site back then, only that for some reason Steam is now claiming it. People bought DCS licenses all over the world, not just through Steam or DCS, then they pull this policy out their ass all of the sudden. If I still was in contact with the guy who bought it for me with my card I could get the receipt, but I can't. Think he might be at Stanford now or something. Or back in China. Since then, these things go on sale all the time, but back then I don't recall sales happening so Chu saying that in China they get this stuff for like half off because it's a different market and he'll just get it for me from one their sites made sense at the time. Obviously I should have had him email me a receipt for it. The message that pops up almost sounds like someone else's credit card was used to buy that license, but it wouldn't surprise me if the only money ever spent on it was mine and ED just doesn't know it.

Last edited by Reticuli; 12/06/20 09:53 PM.

The term "necroposting" was invented by a person with no social memory beyond a year. People with a similar hangup are those o.k. with the internet being transient vapor.

http://www.openfuelstandard.org/2011/12/methanol-wins-open-wager.html

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#4547463 - 12/07/20 09:15 AM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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I see. The situation is a little complex smile I don't really have a definitive reason why this has happened now, but if this license breakdown is for Steam specifically, then I know that Steam has a policy where you cannot "game" the Steam regional pricing system by buying from a different region to get a cheaper price. There is a consequence for doing so, maybe as much as removing access to your account.

As this is a slightly more complex scenario, that your friend bought a Chinese license and gave it to you somehow (gifted?), it maybe that the consequence in this case is simple removal of that license? Why it takes 7 years, no idea. All this is just conjecture smile


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#4547978 - 12/10/20 02:47 PM Re: ED now claiming some third-party old licenses are not valid [Re: Reticuli]  
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Originally Posted by Reticuli
This was WAY BACK. ED hasn't claimed it couldn't have been a legit purchase from a third-party site back then, only that for some reason Steam is now claiming it. People bought DCS licenses all over the world, not just through Steam or DCS, then they pull this policy out their ass all of the sudden.


This is not sudden, new policy, it's old. A bunch of sites used cloned/generated keys that they would sell for a low low price, until ED got wind of it, probably changed the generator and banned all known duplicated/generated keys. So, your Chinese friend did you a huge disfavor by 'buying cheap' from one of those sites.


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