#4483632 - 07/21/19 07:15 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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I know I'm overthinking it, but... Without vehicle support it would be impossible for a mob to penetrate to any of the central buildings. They're so far away from the perimeter that a large group on foot couldn't carry enough supplies because too many people would require extra care, which would overtax the ones who could physically pull it off. Vehicles could be modified to crash the fence, opening the way for even unmodified vehicles to follow. Unless there are unavoidable vehicle traps inside the base I imagine most stock SUVs could cover the distance. The pictures I've seen don't show any obvious signs of particularly difficult terrain, although some would undoubtedly find soft sand and bog down. A small group of well-trained individuals in good physical condition could manage without too much trouble, even penetrating the perimeter and making the trek undetected. But that's not what we're talking about here, is it?
Wolf, stopping an invading force with any weapon ultimately depends on having enough ammunition, either to kill all of them or to psychologically undermine their determination. I would say that seeing eight to ten .50 caliber or 50 to 100 7.62 rounds tearing through vehicles and bodies every second would do the trick equally well. Of course in the case of the M134 you'd probably have the added benefit of instilling terror in them for the rest of their lives at the sound of ripping canvas or hail on the roof.
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#4483657 - 07/22/19 12:03 AM
Re: Storm Area 51
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A small group of well-trained individuals in good physical condition... Let me stop you right there and chuckle. That small group of well trained, well disciplined individuals isn't going anywhere near this cluster fudge, as they have far better things to do. On firepower - I think just a couple 105 artillery rounds followed by some automatic grenade fire from an AC-130 would dissuade 99.99% of the Narito runners. And I haven't even mentioned putting down a FASCAM minefield.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4483663 - 07/22/19 12:27 AM
Re: Storm Area 51
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Actually, small groups of well trained and physically fit men try to penetrate on a regular basis. I don’t think you all appreciate all the security devices and sensors that are used and how they have external elements try to penetrate them to test them.
They take security there very seriously.
Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
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#4483670 - 07/22/19 01:44 AM
Re: Storm Area 51
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Actually, small groups of well trained and physically fit men try to penetrate on a regular basis. I don’t think you all appreciate all the security devices and sensors that are used and how they have external elements try to penetrate them to test them.
They take security there very seriously. I have no doubt. But I doubt they'll do it during Nerdfest.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4483699 - 07/22/19 10:36 AM
Re: Storm Area 51
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Humanity has always had a high percentage of idiots for as long as humanity has existed on Earth but with the advent of the internet and especially social media, we are constantly reminded every day about just how many of them there are.
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#4483708 - 07/22/19 12:28 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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My 'Waiting for Clod' thread: http://tinyurl.com/bqxc9eeAlways take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.Elie Wiesel. Romanian born Jewish writer, professor, political activist, Nobel Laureate, Holocaust survivor. 1928 - 2016. Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C.S. Lewis, 1898 - 1963.
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#4483725 - 07/22/19 02:46 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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That small group of well trained, well disciplined individuals isn't going anywhere near this cluster fudge... I agree completely. Kind of my point; the people foolish enough to get involved in this aren't likely to be up to the challenge. Actually, small groups of well trained and physically fit men try to penetrate on a regular basis. I don’t think you all appreciate all the security devices and sensors that are used and how they have external elements try to penetrate them to test them. I believe I do. And it wouldn't surprise me if they do task special forces types with it from time to time. If I was in charge that's what I would do. And it may be pride in having been one of those young men (a long time and several pounds ago), but I also wouldn't be surprised if they succeed a lot more than the people tasked with its defense would like and the government will admit.
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#4483730 - 07/22/19 03:52 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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That small group of well trained, well disciplined individuals isn't going anywhere near this cluster fudge... I agree completely. Kind of my point; the people foolish enough to get involved in this aren't likely to be up to the challenge. Actually, small groups of well trained and physically fit men try to penetrate on a regular basis. I don’t think you all appreciate all the security devices and sensors that are used and how they have external elements try to penetrate them to test them. I believe I do. And it wouldn't surprise me if they do task special forces types with it from time to time. If I was in charge that's what I would do. And it may be pride in having been one of those young men (a long time and several pounds ago), but I also wouldn't be surprised if they succeed a lot more than the people tasked with its defense would like and the government will admit. It is what they do, after putting in the security systems those small teams of very fit persons go in to see how they can get past them, once they actually cut the mains electricity going in, after that the location had to re-think how they got their power delivered and they did have quite a bit of redundancy at the time too. As to Loch Ness … Ah hahahahahahaha, yeah, that will be the day, it's cold, it's deep, and the water is about the colour and consistency of oxtail soup once you get away from the surface layers, and the bottom is many feet deep in silt.
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#4483840 - 07/23/19 05:04 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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Even if someone got through all the US security stuff and into Area 51 itself... Marvin the Martian would just zap them with the disintegrator ray gun.
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#4483842 - 07/23/19 05:08 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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I don't know what the big deal is about the security at Area 51. Fox Mulder was able to get in just fine via a weakpoint in the chain link fence on the perimeter. Hahahahaha! (they let him in as another part of the conspiracy against him)
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#4483922 - 07/24/19 10:25 AM
Re: Storm Area 51
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I hate what he's done, but I enjoy all the smoking moments of the cigarette smoking man. He's kind of a sad character. Cigarette Smoking Man is all about "the means justifies the end". If he has to kill people to keep the black oil vaccine a secret and thus hidden from the alien race which is planning to colonize Earth then he will do so without hesitation.
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#4483934 - 07/24/19 12:06 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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PM, it is the other way around... "The end justifies the means". I think we're going to have to pull your radical card! Whoops. That's what happens when I post really early in the morning before I've had my second cup of coffee.
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#4483991 - 07/24/19 07:08 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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That reminds me of something else PM with regards to the black oil vaccine. In the movie it is said that the vaccine is a very weak remedy yet when Mulder gives it to Scully, the whole alien ship reacts like its gone nuts, aliens breaking out of hibernation and they pull the plug and high tail it out of there. Was the vaccine infecting the ship or were the aliens detecting and as of yet unknown threat so they decided to play it safe and leave? The tube stuck into Scully eroded after the injection so they make it look like the "weak" vaccine was actually doing significant damage to the whole ship and its network of incubating aliens. I guess its nitpicking but those things felt like they didn't add up in the writing. A lot happens fast so I don't always catch or understand all of the fast paced dialogue.
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#4483992 - 07/24/19 07:13 PM
Re: Storm Area 51
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That reminds me of something else PM with regards to the black oil vaccine. In the movie it is said that the vaccine is a very weak remedy yet when Mulder gives it to Scully, the whole alien ship reacts like its gone nuts, aliens breaking out of hibernation and they pull the plug and high tail it out of there. Was the vaccine infecting the ship or were the aliens detecting and as of yet unknown threat so they decided to play it safe and leave? The tube stuck into Scully eroded after the injection so they make it look like the "weak" vaccine was actually doing significant damage to the whole ship and its network of incubating aliens. I guess its nitpicking but those things felt like they didn't add up in the writing. A lot happens fast so I don't always catch or understand all of the fast paced dialogue. You ask a very good question and what happened is that the black oil vaccine was still a work in progress during the course of the events in the movie so hence why it was referred to as being "weak" but it apparently was still strong enough for the aliens to detect it as a threat.
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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