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#4480440 - 06/28/19 05:24 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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I didn't like the 70's version, at all. They used too much old WW2 combat film that has been seen in movies since the forties, for Pete's sake. Lots of scenes of Hellcats taking off from Essex class carriers. And for the big dogfight over Midway they used the scene fron "The Battle of Britain!" Geez!
The guy who played Heston's son was way too whiny, for my taste. The whole, "You won't help my Japanese girlfriend! I hate you!" crap was a bit much. The kids a FIGHTER PILOT! Please.
I was hoping that this was the film that would do it right.


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#4480448 - 06/28/19 06:00 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Midway and other important WW2 battles are the kind of subject matter that would be handled much better by crowdfunded indie efforts rather than low common denominator focussed Hollywood.

#4480449 - 06/28/19 06:01 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
Midway and other important WW2 battles are the kind of subject matter that would be handled much better by crowdfunded indie efforts rather than low common denominator focussed Hollywood.


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Having said that, I have NO CLUE how Chris Nolan managed to make his "Dunkirk" film a box office hit in the US. That guy must be an alien with super powers or something.

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#4480519 - 06/29/19 01:45 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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And people thought "Pearl Harbor" was bad.
Who else is thinking of re watching "Tora Tora Tora", right now?

#4480534 - 06/29/19 03:10 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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cgi didnt look bad for me, it was the composite that looked off in some scenes, and the color pallete chosen that makes it stand out. but the story seeem, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
at least we can skip to the good bits

#4480543 - 06/29/19 04:14 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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So... there are actually two movies based on the Battle of Midway coming out this year....This one also has crappy CGI but at least the story looks a bit more interesting/believable. Its supposedly based on a true story.




As far as real airplanes for movies, really wish the warbird community would get off their asses and start volunteering their services more often. Seriously. You don't need large fleets, just a few and supplement it with large scale models and supporting CGI, Dunkirk and even more recently Hulu's Catch 22 prove that:





#4480545 - 06/29/19 04:51 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Recon, to tell you the truth, that other one titled "Dauntless" doesn't seem to be telling the true story at all. That whole thing with the SBD's getting creamed and the Admiral turning on the lights so they could make it back is pure bullshite. Didn't happen. The U.S. air groups at Midway did not return at night time.
I don't know how well they are sticking to the story of Midway in "Midway" just yet. The woman you saw with the little girl is playing the wife of Commander Dick Best who was the squadron C.O. of the SBD's aboard the U.S.S. Enterprise. So, at least that is true.
One of the things that bothers me is the need to show the attack on Pearl Harbor and the bombing of Tokyo. They have to fill up the two hours with constant frenetic action. I would like to see some build up. Maybe some training being done, maybe some scenes of life aboard the carriers. What was going on behind the scenes where the code breakers were working. Like "Tora Tora Tora." I guess today's audiences don't want that. A film has to begin with an action packed scene or people get bored.
Well, we'll see. But, I'm not as anxious to see it as when I'd first heard about the project.

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#4480546 - 06/29/19 04:55 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Oh, and by the way, I think that Catch-22 showed how to do CGI airplanes scenes the right way. They looked real, and didn't do anything that a real B-25 couldn't do. It was very convincing.


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#4480550 - 06/29/19 05:49 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: Pooch]  
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Originally Posted by Pooch
Oh, and by the way, I think that Catch-22 showed how to do CGI airplanes scenes the right way. They looked real, and didn't do anything that a real B-25 couldn't do. It was very convincing.


Very true, the large formation scenes looked great! Also, there were 2 real B-25s used for the show along with a real C-47 and real JU-52:


http://warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/catch-22-remake-warbirds-over-sardinia.html

#4480582 - 06/29/19 01:07 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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This movie will probably suck big time but i'll drag my kids along to it just to flush out all of the super hero movies i have been inundated with by them over the last decade.


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#4480682 - 06/30/19 01:54 AM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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#4480725 - 06/30/19 12:28 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Why am I thinking another 'Red Tails' type movie?


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4480732 - 06/30/19 01:00 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Why am I thinking another 'Red Tails' type movie?



You would be correct sir. It seems current day Hollywood CANNOT make a war movie without relying on endless explosions and over-done action scenes and also without any cliché dialogue.

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#4489338 - 09/13/19 01:11 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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#4489342 - 09/13/19 01:23 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: Sokol1]  
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I think you put the wrong link. smile


Anyway, reconmercs already posted a link to the trailer in his initial post.


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#4489344 - 09/13/19 01:29 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: Sokol1]  
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That goes to a video where stars talk about embarrassing shows they like, and you have to click on the Midway trailer on the right
I think this goes directly to the Midway trailer:
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls053181649/videoplayer/vi3198992153?ref_=vp_pl_0

It looks like the sequel to "Pearl Harbor" that nobody asked for.


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#4489345 - 09/13/19 01:35 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: Arthonon]  
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Originally Posted by Arthonon


It looks like the sequel to "Pearl Harbor" that nobody asked for.



Now that is a perfect description!!


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#4489349 - 09/13/19 02:28 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Cool...a 2 hour CGI cut scene from a never released video game.


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#4489353 - 09/13/19 02:58 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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The needless love triangle in war films is just about as old as making war films, as is including an actress to share the center stage.

Even my beloved Wings had to be re-written before shooting to include Clara Bow, as she was (literally) the "It girl" and the studios wanted her in the film to increase box office.

That they did it as good as it could be done is neither here nor there...they still had to do it, and it really didn't add to the story one bit.

Indeed, the formula was invented right there and has been repeated over and over again, except the Wings approach where at the end of the war the love interest and the protagonist don't wind up together has been abandoned. I think how they ended the film wound up paying off her inclusion.

Caveat: Yes, I know that Clara Bow wasn't written as a love triangle; she was the girl with a crush and the object of romantic dispute wasn't even shown after the first two minutes, but it still remains.


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#4489355 - 09/13/19 03:09 PM Re: HOLY CRAPPY CGI BATMAN (Midway 2019) [Re: reconmercs]  
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Interesting post Dart but Hollywood has shown that you can make a perfectly great war film that is commercially successful without it having any kind of love triangle/interest. Patton, A Bridge Too Far, Platoon, Apocalypse Now, The Longest Day and many other films fall under this category.


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